Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/H808Beats

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:40, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

H808Beats[edit]

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Not impressed at all by the sources. All of them are clearly paid-for press releases. With disclaimers such as The MarketWatch News Department was not involved in the creation of this content. and Sponsored: Advertising Content, the sources fail our standards for independent sourcing as per WP:IS. Aside from that, there is no evidence that this producer passes WP:GNG or WP:NMUSICIAN. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Music, and Greece. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - No indication that this passes WP:GNG RoanokeVirginia (talk) 21:27, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, lack of independent and reliable references. Brian O'Conner 21:30, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - notability as per WP:NMUSICIAN is not substantiated. Ari T. Benchaim (talk) 21:33, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There are major news websites which the article is not "Sponsored" some of them include :

Benzinga
Digital Journal
Times World USA
Santa Maria Times
ABC News
FOX News
Which cover WP:NMUSICIAN 1) "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself"

AND 12) "Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or television network" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zekrad (talk • contribs) 23:07, 2 April 2022 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:13, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, didnt pass WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. Akevsharma (talk) 06:15, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In re the above sources offered: the first link is a news release distributed by a newswire; the second is the same news release; the third is sourced to IssueWire - I tried to link to one of their pages explaining how you can buy their distribution services and got dinged by the blacklist filter (!!), there; the fourth is... well, guess. The last two don't link to ABC or Fox. These are all purchased PR distributions that have been posted as page filler. Totally fails WP:NMUSIC. Delete Tony Fox (arf!) 06:22, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this analysis. Anything marked as Music PR or relating to IssueWire is a press release and not acceptable. I stand by my opinion to delete this article. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 07:31, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin: lots of SPAs surfacing here.

For those who are unaware of how news wires work, a client buys distribution of their press release, the news wire sends it to everyone and their dog, and many places pick it up and just slap it on their website to fill pages and collect hits. The sources here are two press releases, with zero news value, despite how many SPAs say otherwise. Tony Fox (arf!) 15:29, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The fact that its the same articles redistributed by many major media means that it passes the WP:NMUSICIAN as for the last two links they are indeed FOX and ABC affiliated sites check the logo .. In addition I will include the IMDb profile of the producer and the verified google knowledge panel

https://g.co/kgs/1ipuCU
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm13498668/bio?ref_=m_mn_ov_bio

~~I believe that all the above facts and sources are more than enough for the page to stay! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkezzz (talk • contribs) 10:45, 3 April 2022 (UTC)~~ WP:SOCKSTRIKE Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:14, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They are hosted on some website called marketminute.com rather than the actual ABC or Fox websites. Clearly not the same thing. IMDb is unacceptable as per WP:IMDB. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:22, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thats exactly why its called "Affiliated Networks" you need to do your research on that. And since ABC news is an acceptable source the article needs to stay! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkezzz (talk • contribs) 11:29, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have requested further opinion on marketminute.com at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:54, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article on Benzinga seems legit also its one of the most reputable websites for businesses stocks and financial information — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nutrich (talk • contribs) 12:44, 3 April 2022 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:15, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep [Arizona Republic Newspaper (AZ Central)] has also published this news story I believe there is no question about his noteworthiness anymore! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ρίτα βεριφαιντ (talk • contribs) 13:01, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's sourced to a PR service, AB Newswire. Lamona (talk) 03:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Adding major newspapers: Pittsburgh Post Gazzete and Buffalo News WP:SOCKSTRIKE Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:15, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Spiderone: (FYI) On the account with Greek letters, see also this. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 10:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Per nominaton, fails Nmusician and GNG Josey Wales^Parley 16:22, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Producer passes NMusician as per publications on reliable newspapers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.74.47.146 (talk) 18:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Most, if not all, of the sources, seem to be just press releases that offer no substantial in-depth coverage. Despite citing many sources, none of the sources seems to be WP:IS and they seem to be just press releases pushed out by PR Newswire or similar companies. That said, this article failed WP:GNG. In addition, the user that created the article is blocked for sockpuppeting and there is no substantial change after the creation of the article. I think if this article didn't go into AFD it could instead be speedily deleted through WP:G5.SunDawn talk 03:48, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, doesn’t meet WP:NMUSIC.-Xclusivzik (talk) 18:33, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 13:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and salt. The extensive failures by socks to advance a credible argument for keeping, in combination with the lack of coverage of this group, shows that this is extremely non-notable. That there is heavy socking and references to ads are being used, I suspect UPE, so salting would help to but the Kibosh on that. — Mhawk10 (talk) 21:33, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.