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The result was move to H. L. Nage Gowda, nomination withdrawn. -- NORTH talk 08:26, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

H. N. Nage Gowda[edit]

Non-notable person, fails WP:BIO Speedy Keep and move as said below. Tarret 23:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. --Aaron 00:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. -- Bakaman Bakatalk 00:57, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:BIO; a non-published poet that hasn't been subject to any notable media sources and that hasn't won any major awards. Only 48 Google results [1]--TBCTaLk?!? 01:45, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep, seems to have been a spelling mistake, as pointed out by Mereda and Arvind.--TBCTaLk?!? 17:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Major indian poets should atleast be awarded with a Jnanpith Award or a state award. Failing that, he must have a lot of published a lot of works. Since, he doesn't confirm with these 2 things, delete him. --Ageo020 02:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Good one Antorjal. If he has won a state award, keep him. --Ageo020 18:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The Jnanpith is awarded to one person every year. India has one billion plus people and 20+ recognized official languages. I think the Jnanpith criteria is as harsher than asking every British writer to win a Booker. The Sahitya Akademi award is a state-level award. I confess I know nothing about this author or the literature in the language he's written in, but I do know about this award and the recipients in the Indian languages I speak, who are well published and notable to millions. A problem with notability is that transliterations schemes don't always allow for the best hits and India has an abysmal record of getting stuff from local languages up on the net (hence the difficulty in searching on Google). I would like to request native speakers to establish notability (if it is notable) citing references. --Antorjal 17:17, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Victoriagirl 02:37, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. --Ogdred 03:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom.UberCryxic 03:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Casper2k3 04:48, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails WP:BIO and sounds like a speech praising the person rather than an encyclopedic article. --physicq210 05:01, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Weak keep Showing evidence of improvement, but still on the brink. --physicq210 00:39, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. --dtony 05:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom.-- thunderboltz(Deepu) 07:01, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as failing WP:BIO. Thε Halo Θ 10:43, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - not even countering systemic bias can get this past WP:BIO, I'm afraid. Created by a family member, I'll go and leave them a note if nobody has yet done so. Guy 11:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep rewrite. A clear win for the deletion sorting system and the quality of the Indian content specialists. Guy 13:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or move to Janapada Loka The museum [2] founded by H. N. Nage Gowda is of encyclopedic quality. I don't know about his poetry but he's also listed as a poet under Vokkaliga, added in April by an anonymous editor. Mereda 12:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC) It looks like the subject is really H. L. Nage Gowra who's definitely notable [3], [4] (state award) and [5]. Mereda 13:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very strong Keep, and move to H.L. Nage Gowda. The article name is an obvious typo - the person who started the museum is H.L. Nage Gowda, not H.N. Nage Gowda. H.L. Nage Gowda has won the Sahitya Akademi Award (see this obituary, which is a pretty prestigious literary award for writing in Indian languages. That clearly takes him past the threshhold established by WP:BIO. -- Arvind 14:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • The total for H. L. Nagegowda and H. L. Nage Gowda comes to just under a couple of hundred hits on Google. The largest obit is by HI. SHI. RAMCHANDRE GOWDA - I am not familiar enough with Indian naming ocnventions to know if that would likely be a relative or an impartial biography. Any clues here? Is there an article on the native-language Wikipedia? Guy 15:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In Karnataka, "Gowda" is about as common as "Smith" in the UK, so I'd say the chance that he's a relative is pretty small. Incidentally, the newspaper in which that obituary was printed - The Hindu - has the same position in southern India that the New York Times does in the US, so an obit they print is unlikely to be mere hagiography. -- Arvind 16:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If anyone's still feeling doubtful about his notability, he earned the honour of a State funeral [6] Mereda 15:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have rewritten the article, which hopefully establishes notability. I'm not sure if it's appropriate to move it to the correct title until this discussion is done, so I've left it under "H.N. Nage Gowda". -- Arvind 16:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but change the N to an L -- though I understand there's a Hangul character component that can be equally validly transscribed as /n/ or /r/, so it may not be a typo (yes, I know Korean is an entirely separate language). In any case, if he's won an award that itself has an article, that's notable enough for me.–♥ «Charles A. L.» 15:43, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's an award from an institution which has an article, which is not quite the same thing. Guy 16:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The Sahitya Akademi Award has its own article too, though a pretty bad one. -- Arvind 16:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This would have been an open and shut case of delete for me because of the issues noted but the "Sahitya Akademi" which is India's rough equivalent of the Pulitzer sealed this one for me. However, I do stress that the burden of proof lies with the article creator/editors.--Antorjal 17:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Plus the fact that an author was nominated to hold office in a state legislature means he's respected in his own state and language. --Antorjal 17:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Meets encyclopedic criteria per Mereda and Arvind. Agent 86 17:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Merits inclusion, though should be rewritten and shortened in a more neutral tone. Trnj2000 17:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep certainly notable. Trnj2000 19:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the updated article. Arbusto 22:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - good article for rewriting and a notable person.Bakaman Bakatalk 02:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - per Arvind. --Ragib 02:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep thanks Arvind Mujinga 06:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep - Please note that Indian literature and Media have very poor web presence and just because you don't find something in Google, it does not mean that it is non-notable Doctor BrunoTalk 14:26, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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