Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guillotine (character)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge to List of Marvel Comics characters: G. There is a clear consensus that this should not exist as a separate article, and redirects (following a merge) are cheap. BD2412 T 05:24, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Guillotine (character)[edit]

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

This article fails to establish notability. TTN (talk) 18:42, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 18:42, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 18:42, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or merge to Marvel Contest of Champions#Comic book adaptation. BOZ (talk) 22:14, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Comic fancruft with PRIMARY sources + mentions in passing only, fails GNG. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:14, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (though a little weak). Keep because GNG is satisfied, but weak because she's pretty minor. I remember trying to sort out what came first, the game or the comic since that was the initial reasoning for having an article by @Arnabdas:. Doesn't seem like Arnabdas is active recently to chime in, but regardless, I think there's enough out there outside of the game (even if not in the article) to say that reception for the character does WP:NEXIST. For example:
ComicsVerse was intrigued to see more of her, and found her fascinating with the way she was weaved into history.
Another review was interested to know where the author would take the character after the setup and unique story.
AIPT praised the art/design of the character (and artwork is half of comics), as did Newsarama who especially praised the coloring. AIPT also found her story "efficient and interesting" given only a few pages, while Newsarama was more critical of her story, though criticism is still GNG material.
Bottom line, my vote is not to delete. I don't think a merge/redirect is unreasonable, but I don't know where, that discussion can be handled on the talk page by the appropriate project(s) outside AfD. -2pou (talk) 20:47, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Usual trivia. Fails GNG.Kacper IV (talk) 12:12, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is that based on the current state of the article or your review of discovered sources above? -2pou (talk) 23:39, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - yet more fancruft. Not enough in-depth coverage from RS to show notability. Of the sources mentioned above by 2pou, 3 are clearly not reliable sources, and the fourth, comicsverse.com I'm not so sure about either. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:36, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @Onel5969: if you don't feel that the articles help, that is fine, but I did want to respond to the statement that 3 are clearly not reliable sources. Of the 3, I might concede Geeked Out Nation, but the other two should be considered Reliable (despite their illustrious names). I did include the Geeked Out Nation review since there is at least an editor and the reviewer was someone else, but this site has now died and been replaced.
  For the other two though, Adventures in Poor Taste has quite a large editorial team, and their reviews are cited quite often across Film, Anime/Manga, and Comics WikiProjects. There is an archived discussion that felt the site is overall reliable here: [1]. I'd say something like a /Film/Screen Rant/Collider
  And Newsarama... well, that is the one I really wanted to point out to you. They have an awesome name, I know, but they are one of the most used sources for comics material out there. I would probably equate sites like Newsarama, CBR, and Bleeding Cool as three of the most referenced sites similar to the Hollywood trades Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, and Deadline Hollywood, especially with such wonderful reporting that comes from Deadline such as this. Newsarama even won an Eisner award for their journalism in the industry. Yes, this is a much smaller niche industry than Hollywood, but it is respected in the industry.
  Again, your opinion is your opinion, I just wanted to respectfully point this out in case you participate if many more comics related discussions, and since I noticed you are a new page reviewer. -2pou (talk) 03:21, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:12, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the usual PLOT and trivial appearances info. I have no objection to see this character added to a character list (and 2pou's sources could be added there), but it's not apparent from the article or the article's infobox/nav-template what (if any) character list might be appropriate. – sgeureka ^t•c 10:39, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of Marvel Comics characters: G. I would perhaps not be opposed a slightly better article leaning on decent sources, but, for now, this content is probably better kept in the list. Josh Milburn (talk) 16:33, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Typical, non-notable, GNG-failing Marvel-cruft._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 11:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.