Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guillaume Bianchi

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The result was keep. Tone 15:33, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Guillaume Bianchi[edit]

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Winning a silver medal (only) at a university-level competition does not qualify this person under WP:NSPORT and the coverage does not qualify under WP:GNG. A loose necktie (talk) 08:49, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

but it is certainly not his only medal. As he was on the podium at the World Cup in Bonn, last year ([1]).-Binbaksa (talk) 09:43, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions.--Nahal^(T) 09:04, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:35, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - There's a real lack of any decent coverage, so we'd be looking for some kind of presumptive notability on the basis of his sporting achievements, and I'm not sure a bronze medal at a World Cup quite cuts it. No doubt he'll qualify for an article in the future, but not right now. Hugsyrup (talk) 12:26, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Enough reliable sources added with enough coverage, including Tv coverage on Rai2 and RaiSport (the final was transmitted in Live on Rai2, one of the main Italian Channel of television). Not only on Eurosport.-Binbaksa (talk) 13:23, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Wikipedia is not news. We should not rush to create articles on people who lack a true track record showing notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:02, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
keep winner of multiple medals in international competitions. consensus is that medalists in junior international competitions are notable; if you want to change that, go to Nsports. Queen-washington (talk) 18:46, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can you point me to the guidelines or discussion that establishes that consensus? I'd genuinely be happy to change my !vote if there's clear consensus for that, but I don't think WP:NSPORTS as written gives that impression. Hugsyrup (talk) 09:29, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The general consensus for most sports is that junior events do not convey notability. WP:NSPORT talks about competing at the highest level and junior events are definitely not that. A podium finish at a world championship would definitely show notability, one at a world cup or university level does not. Papaursa (talk) 21:23, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

it is NOT a junior event, but an international championship for athletes between 18 and 25 years (born in 1994). Bianchi is born in 1997 and he is no more a junior.-Binbaksa (talk) 00:16, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I was responding to the incorrect comment that "medalists in junior international competitions are notable". Papaursa (talk) 04:24, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:48, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete He does not seem to meet WP:NSPORT. Coverage is predominantly about the Universiade games, which can be considered routine sports reporting and also WP:BLP1E. WP:TOOSOON seems to apply until his adult preformances become notable. Papaursa (talk) 21:23, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

always Keep. Because he is an adult (and not a junior) and because he got a podium at World Cup with coverage.-Binbaksa (talk) 00:13, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

None of the events he's had success at are considered the highest level--quoting WP:NSPORT"highest level (such as the Olympics)". Depending on the sport, and the number of entries, world championships may also be viewed as showing notability. World Cup and University games are not at that level. In fencing, World Cup events convey only 1/3 of the ratings points of the Olympics, 40% of that for the world championships, and only 2/3 of the points for zonal championships. That seems to show a clear gap between World Cup and "highest level". The Universiade games have 0 ratings points. Sports like boxing and kickboxing accept competitors ranked in the top 10, while even world championship quarterfinalists in judo have been put up for deletion. As far as I can tell he's not ranked in the top 50 and has never competed at an adult world championship. Some routine sports reporting on lesser events does not suffice for meeting WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 04:04, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As far as FIE ranks (Official), Guillaume Bianchi is:

46th (S) as a Senior in 2018/2019
36th (S), 42.00, in 2017/2018.

So you are completely wrong saying that « he’s not ranked in the top 50 » but you are right for the fact he has never competed yet in a World Championship: ahah, he is an Italian, one of the best countries in foil ! If you think that Universiade is not very important, consult again please the results of the 10 last Universiades (and even the most recent one: Fencing at the 2019 Summer Universiade) and you will notice many great champions (Olympic and World). We do not share the fact that a direct coverage on Rai 2 (the second main channel in Italy, you can see the video here) is enough for the notorious. Seen by millions of people. Live. It is enough for my point of vue.-Binbaksa (talk) 19:44, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for clarifying. I can't access the FIE website on my computer so I looked at the World Cup article that said he was ranked 64th at the beginning of that event. The point is he's nowhere near the top 10 and you haven't countered the fact that he's never competed at the highest level (World Cups are the 4th highest level event). It's irrelevant that some Universiade winners have become notable because notability is not inherited. Being in a live event on TV is nice, but thousands of American college football players have that every year and yet are not deemed WP notable. Papaursa (talk) 23:10, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ‑Scottywong | spout _ 06:46, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Also finished top 3 in the World Cup and won gold at the European championships. Seems notable to me.--Seacactus 13 (talk) 21:52, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note the European event was a junior (U23) event.Sandals1 (talk) 15:16, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Under-23 is not junior. And Under-23 champions are notable in other sports.--Seacactus 13 (talk) 18:03, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Many others athletes are notables just for the individual Summer Universiade medal. --Kasper2006 (talk) 10:35, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
delete One podium finish at, as Papaursa points out, a fourth tier event isn't close to meeting the requirement that athletes have "competed at the highest level". Success as a junior also doesn't meet this standard, which is why junior success generally doesn't show notability. The Universiade competition is the same (limits on competitors). Coverage appears to be routine sports reporting of results and fails to meet the GNG. The editors voting to keep the article, all of whom are pretty new to AfD discussions, are ignoring WP:NSPORT, WP:NOTNEWS, and WP:ROUTINE while relying on WP:ILIKEIT, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, and incorrect interpretations of what it takes to be a notable athlete.Sandals1 (talk) 15:16, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Whether he meets WP:NSPORT is irrelevant because the sources are enough to meet WP:GNG. Smartyllama (talk) 12:40, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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