Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grex

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No consensus. Deathphoenix ʕ 02:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Grex[edit]

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Non-notable BBS whose only claim to fame seems to be as a plaintiff in an obscure state court case. Wikipedia is not a BBS registry. Gail Wynand 03:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete. Article doesn't seem to have nearly as much importance as the other current BBS AfD. Bongout 04:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. -- Kicking222 04:16, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Abstain, but see also Super Dimension Fortress for a similar system. RobLinwood 04:25, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Grex was fairly popular in the early days of the Internet for its @cyberspace.org e-mail addresses, which was of course l33t k3wl and everyone wanted one. I don't think this should be deleted, but I'm not sure how this info is relevant today. Danny Lilithborne 04:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see evidence of notability. --Ed (Edgar181) 12:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
~~Merge~~ Modify to Cyberspace Communications, the non-profit organization that operates Grex. The number of citings that Cyberspace v Engler has received indicates the organization has notability. Nathan Harmon 15:50, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Abstain, Grex has notability as a TRUE free speech forum[Larry Smith]
Abstain, Grex's free speech case, cyberspace communicatons v Engler, has been cited as precedent in several other major free speech cases, on the state and federal level. Grex should remain listed. [richard wallner]
Strong keep. Why not. Daloonik 04:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Naconkantari 04:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or merge into Shell account and redirect.

The whole point of appreciation here is that Grex, like Arbornet or SDF/freeshell.org: Super Dimension Fortress or nyx.net and few others are Unix shell providers, free for anybody anywhere (membership fees are optional and allow to get a better set of commands/functionality).Very few community-run unix systems have been existing so long, allowing people to get familiarity with what is the most important operating system in the internet infrastucture and history.See for instance the links in the Google subcategory: Internet > Access Providers > Unix Shell Providers > Free Shells or the Dmoz one: [1] The BBS software/service is just a part of these systems, contrary to the full dedicated Bbs. The "Non-notable BBS" characterization stated as motive for deletion is a very narrowed point of view. AntonioB 05:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per nom. ILove Plankton ⁽ ^L⁾ 16:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The free speech case is widely cited and is hardly obscure, and the nature of Grex as a creative community forum was critical in broadening the plaintiffs from groups which could be dismissed (at least politically) as primarily concerned with sex. Moreover, tens of thousands of users have participated in Grex as a free public access Unix system, a very unusual resource. The Well developed from the exactly the same software, and some of the people and ideas surrounding Grex and its predecessor, but the Well and Grex developed in significantly different directions based on a different emphasis in first principles. Kestenbaum 20:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The freedom of speech question on grex has been at issue for some time now: a staff member left in a huff and deleted significant portions of the BBS, which the other staff members declined to restore. I don't think freedom of speech is relevant to that article.
Keep and Move to Cyberspace Communications; both CC and Arbornet were instrumental in several legal cases (civil and criminal). -James Howard (talk/web) 15:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It should be noted the above user has been banned more than once. Bongout 05:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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