Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greg Burke (ice hockey)

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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 03:11, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Greg Burke (ice hockey)[edit]

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fails WP: NHOCKEY Joeykai (talk) 05:03, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ice hockey -related deletion discussions. WeAreAllHere talk 05:49, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. MT TrainTalk 08:58, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep played at the highest level of professional roller hockey. -DJSasso (talk) 11:17, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:37, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per reasons stated by DJSasso. --SP17 (talk) 03:53, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep passes both WP:HOCKEY, and WP:GNG. Flibirigit (talk) 14:51, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Questions Where is the significant independent coverage that shows he meets WP:GNG? There's none in the article and my own search didn't find any. How does he meet WP:NHOCKEY? He doesn't as far as I can tell. Where is the SNG for roller hockey? I don't see any and WP:NSPORTS mentions competing at the highest level (eg., world championships). Are there any sources that show he competed at either the IIHF Inline Hockey world championships or the FIRS Inline Hockey world championships? It's not clear to me that competing in the first pro inline league gives automatic notability. Papaursa (talk) 16:14, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • And do you have some sort of source that indicates that RHI was in fact the highest professional roller hockey league. You have something to say that it was higher than the CERH? It is conjecture. The RHI had it moments, but they were brief, whereas the CERH has survived many years, but it is not exclusively professional.18abruce (talk) 20:37, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • As you mention, not exclusively professional, whereas RHI was. Not to mention they play quad-rink hockey, which is a different sport than inline roller hockey. -DJSasso (talk) 01:00, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The guideline doesn't say anything about leagues, it says the highest level. Since the IIHF allows professionals I don't see how the world championships are not a higher level than a short lived league. Sandals1 (talk) 11:06, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Because it makes a distinction between professional and amateur. You have to be the highest in either of the two. While the IIHF tournaments allow professionals, they are still considered an amateur tournament. -DJSasso (talk) 11:33, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've never known any sport that allowed professionals to legally compete in an amateur competition. Papaursa (talk) 03:04, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the major sports in the Olympics do now. Hockey, Basketball, Figure Skating, the list goes on and on. -DJSasso (talk) 11:16, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You're right about professionals at the Olympics, but I don't know many people who call the Olympics an amateur competition--except for a few sports like boxing and wrestling (where professionals aren't allowed). It's like the open era in tennis, pros and amateurs could compete together but they were no longer considered amateur events. But I think we're off track so I'm sticking with my comment below. Papaursa (talk) 01:28, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete fails both WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG, nothing has been presented that satisfies either. The RHI is a notable league, participation in it does not infer notability. It did better than other roller leagues, but voting for inclusion simply because of participation there seems to be a serious stretch.18abruce (talk) 18:04, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I was waiting to see if anyone responded to my questions, but it's been 3 days and I want to vote while this AfD is still open. Right now it appears that Burke doesn't meet the GNG or any SNG, so deletion seems like the only option to me. Papaursa (talk) 03:05, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 22:19, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - the keep !voters haven't shown that he passes either a SNG or the GNG. My own search has come up with nothing. PhilKnight (talk) 22:56, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    As quoted above the SNG of WP:NSPORTS requires playing at the highest professional level, RHI was the highest professional level. -DJSasso (talk) 11:22, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Except that maybe it wasn't, we only know for sure that north american media payed more attention to it than to professional competitions in Europe.18abruce (talk) 20:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    We do know it was, it pulled in the best players from around the world and had the highest attendance and the most international coverage. Typically the three things we look at when considering the highest level. At very worst case it could be considered the same level, but it certainly wasn't lower level than any other league in the world. -DJSasso (talk) 00:57, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete As I said above the world championships have to be considered the highest level. I don't think the case has been made that all players in a league that lasted only a few years in a minor sport are automatically notable. When in doubt, we should look at WP:GNG and I see no evidence he meets that.Sandals1 (talk) 11:06, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I did some research on the RHI and it was made up mainly of minor and junior league ice hockey players who used it to compete over the summer between ice hockey seasons. At best, players made a few thousand dollars for the season which means this seems akin to semi-pro baseball (i.e., nobody was earning a living doing it). To claim that merely playing in this league confers notability seems to be a stretch. Nobody has provided any evidence he meets WP:ANYBIO or has significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable sources. I don't see how editors are claiming WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG are met. The burden of proof is on showing notability and that hasn't been done. Papaursa (talk) 03:04, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete fails both WP:NHOCKEY & WP:GNG. Deathlibrarian (talk) 03:01, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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