Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Granville Bates

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The result was keep. Killiondude (talk) 08:47, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Granville Bates[edit]

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The article lacks any reliable sources. IMDb is enough to demonstrate someone existed, not that they were notable. A search on google showed a collection of primary and non-reliable sources, such as Find a Grave, but nothing that rose to the level of substantial mention in a secondary source. John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:41, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. He was in over 90 films during pre-internet era, and we may presume that sources exist. From the nice photo in the article he seems vaguely familiar and if I saw him on the street i'd be "Don't I know you from somewhere", but character actors get that all the time. --Doncram (talk) 03:00, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. L3X1 (distænt write) 03:10, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. L3X1 (distænt write) 03:10, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. L3X1 (distænt write) 03:10, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Yes sourcing is a problem. (I started this article, so it's my fault.) If we agree that Granville Bates actually existed, the core issue is notability. In my opinion he meets that bar with a 35-year career and "significant roles in multiple notable films" per WP:ENT. --Lockley (talk) 03:20, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Film and stage actor whose career spanned over 40 years ([1]). Many major roles, as indicated in sources from the time of his films. --Michig (talk) 09:06, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless substantive sources are identified. The link above only says that the subject had a long career, not an assessment of it or its impact. Seeing some actual sources would be helpful. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:27, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 07:09, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak keep~~ Keep. I've added several New York Times movie reviews that singled him out for praise. Presumably there are more in other publications. Plus he appeared in a bunch of Broadway plays.[2] Clarityfiend (talk) 12:02, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

He got an obituary in the July 10, 1940 Cincinnati Enquirer, Harrisburg Telegraph and various other papers, though I can't see much without a subscription, and what looks like another one in the July 11 Pittsburgh Press. The Los Angeles Times wrote about his performance in My Favorite Wife on May 3, 1940, the Palladium-Item has his name in big bold font on November 4, 1939, etc. Somebody with an active newspapers.com subscription should clip/cite these things. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:15, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.