Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Graničari stari

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The result was redirect to Đuka Galović. And delete (copyvio history etc., all info now at target article) Sandstein 18:19, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Graničari stari[edit]

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Could not find reliable sources that would establish the song's notability per WP:GNG. While it is possible that the song meets WP:NSONG #4, this has to be reliably confirmed. Apart from that, the article is mistitled (the song's name is actually "Odavno smo graničari stari"), unreferenced for 5 years, an orphan, and violates copyright, so its value is marginal and WP:TNT is a valid option. GregorB (talk) 18:19, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Nowhere to be merged to, appears to fail NSONG, and the copyvio lyrics section just got nuked by me. Unless a Croatian-speaking editor can convince me otherwise, I don't think it's notable. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 18:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:50, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:50, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I noted in the prod, the song's author Đuka Galović is quite probably notable, but the article does not exist yet and even if if did, there would be next to no content to merge in the first place. GregorB (talk) 18:56, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The phrase (partial or full, regardless) is a search term, so redirect to a new article about Tamburica songs and mention it there. This could be a section in the Tamburica article at first. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 20:23, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I created Đuka Galović, there's newly sourced material on the song, as apparently one of his 3 best known, there. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:25, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Very good. I think it's the best solution. GregorB (talk) 21:12, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - I disagree; the song is significantly more notable than its author. I'm going by google search+books hits as well as anecdotal experience - I sincerely doubt most people who know about the song have any idea who wrote it. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:20, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well, when I said "the best solution", that was according to the standards of Wikipedia notability (WP:GNG, WP:NSONG, what have you), not real-world notability (which is not the same). If the song is indeed notable in the former sense, than it should be possible to find out (with WP:RS support) who wrote it and when, when it was first performed or released, and which notable musicians performed it. Otherwise, the article might not even be salvageable as a {{R from song}}, as its title is off, as noted above. GregorB (talk) 10:47, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - But why do you think it is impossible to verify that? For example, when you google it, you can see that a popular rendition is one by Zlatni Dukati. A few clicks later, you can find that it appeared on their album Hrvatska pjesmarica in 1989. Anyone who has a copy of that can verify this information, and apparently it was a popular album so it shouldn't even be very hard. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:37, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        I never said this was impossible to verify: in fact, this (by "this" I mean WP:NSONG #4, as already noted) would be the easiest avenue to defeat the nom, but it requires multiple artists, not just Zlatni dukati. GregorB (talk) 19:43, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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