Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Golden Reel Award for Outstanding Achievement in Sound Editing - Dialogue and ADR for Feature Film

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Despite two relists this has been a low traffic AfD. Small majority for the 'keep's but their arguments are balanced by the other reservations. I am not seeing a consensus. Just Chilling (talk) 13:34, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Golden Reel Award for Outstanding Achievement in Sound Editing - Dialogue and ADR for Feature Film[edit]

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This is not notable as a standalone award and I would propose redirecting it to Motion_Picture_Sound_Editors#Golden_Reel_Awards which is what the entry on the DAB redirects to as well as the awards are not actually independently notable, however the creator has contested this so i'm left with AFD.

So, delete and redirect. I'm also bundling Golden Reel Award for Outstanding Achievement in Sound Editing - Musical for Feature Film with it.Praxidicae (talk) 13:23, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:09, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:09, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:10, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. For awards that are presented in multiple categories rather than just one, keeping all of the information about every category in a single merged article about the overall program would make that article far too long to be useful. So standard practice for multi-category film, television, music or literary awards programs has always been that as long as the overall program is notable, each category should have its own standalone article regardless of any quibbles about whether that individual category is "independently" notable separately from the overall program, simply because that's the user-friendliest way to package the overall program. Try, for example, to imagine if none of the Academy Award categories had their own standalone articles, but instead all of the winners and nominees in every category were simply crammed into one loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong omnibus article about the Academy Awards themselves: this would not be user-friendly or helpful to either readers or editors, so we split the information up for size management purposes, regardless of what anybody thinks about the standalone notability of any individual category. It's true that not every award category presented by the Motion Picture Sound Editors actually has its own standalone article yet, but that's precisely because getting them started is a new project being taken on by an editor within the past two weeks. Bearcat (talk) 13:58, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments: I have an issue with 51 (fast count) out of 88 references, being IMDb that is user-generated and considered questionable sources. Golden Reel Award for Outstanding Achievement in Sound Editing - Musical for Feature Film has 5 references that are all IMDb. Surely we can do better so I hope there are plans to address with "the new editor" because if not there are all-around notability issues. Otr500 (talk) 03:51, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:11, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:29, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. If publications like the Los Angeles Times and Variety announce the results, the awards are notable enough. The quality of some of the sources is not a valid reason to delete the list. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:45, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Announcements alone are not coverage. We do not need an article for every category and subcat when we don't even have an actual article on the awards and even if we did, it's not a directory. There is no sustained coverage of this. Praxidicae (talk) 18:52, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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