Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gloria Wong

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete and redirect to Bad Habits (band). Black Kite 00:10, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gloria Wong[edit]

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Google searches for "Gloria Wong" + "Bad Habits", Fearless or Nonex do not turn up any bona fide WP:RS, in my opinion. I do not believe she meets our basic WP:BIOGRAPHY criteria at this time. Yes, they have music for sale online and there are social network Ghits, but no reliable sources, from what I see. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think part of the problem is she's apparently known as Glo Butane when she performs with Bad Habits. There are more Ghits for her as Butane + Bad Habits but still not what one would expect for a band this long established. Perhaps we should merge Gloria Wong/Glo Butane to Bad Habits (band)? They're all atrociously spammy articles but that's not a reason to delete. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:02, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The band she is part of seems to have had 2 incarnations, one in the 80's and one now. i dont see any notability for the current lineup, and even if they do pass notabilty, i dont see the individual members getting their own articles at this time. the rest of her ouvre is nonnotable as far as i can tell. it doesnt help that the articles practically shoot themselves in the foot, but i tried to see past that and i cant see much.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:31, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: A few days ago, I was going to try cleaning up the article, but in terms of what can be properly sourced, there wasn't much to salvage, and after another round of searching for sourcing, I haven't found much. We can at least verify that she's a professional model, but that doesn't amount to notability. I previously cleaned up Bad Habits (band) and there's equally little sourcing to be found, so I would support deleting that article as well if it was to be AfD'd. Mbinebri ^{talk ←} 14:23, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: She is listed in the German Music Royalties Collection Society GEMA (equivalent to MCPS-PRS in U.K.) (if you source www.gema.de) as a member under both the names Gloria Wong and Glo Butane and as a writer with 1/4 copyright ownership on the whole NONEX album Lady Fitness (bar code EAN: 090204897971). Nonex has since disbanded 2001 but have a website printed on their physical albums as www.nonex.com which is possibly misprinted or no longer registered to the music group. Members of bands have notoriously used alias for years and have only recently registered with organizations like MCPS-PRS, GEMA, ASCAP, SESAC and others which collect royalties for them as the same person for their works worldwide as this has only recently been agreed between some of these societies to collect for worldwide releases. Perhaps Gloria Wong/Glo Butane should be merged to Bad Habits (band) as Merecurywoodrose does possibly have a point that there is no reason individual members should be getting their own articles at this time although there has recently been added some verifiable notable information to Gloria Wong/Glo Butane. I think there is also notable information within the Bad Habits (band) article as they did win some chart competitions with their recent line up and perform on Television Broadcasts (BBC) and MTV Pan Asia and MTV Pan Europe and on Digital Television channels FHM TV, Scuzz tv and Kerrang TV and they did feature on the roster of events because of winning competitions which can be sourced. But finding additional sourcing is quite difficult as bands like Gypsy/Bad Habits here with such a long established discography from the 70's and formed well before that date (and possibly in this case Nonex too(as they were formed in 1969)) should not be penalized for not having had access to the internet in their time to create official band websites during their prime to help organize their history/specifics and not confuse them with the other bands that were formed after them with the same or similar names (ie. from other countries etc.) which is why I agree also with what Shawn in Montreal said earlier that although they're atrociously spammy articles that's not a reason to delete.Martial Fartso (talk) 20:47, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
— Note to closing admin: Martial Fartso (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. . Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Doesn't seem to be sufficiently notable.--Staberinde (talk) 21:11, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I recommend to merge Gloria Wong/Glo Butane to Bad Habits (band) as although she does have more notable content than most stub articles there is not enough for inclusion of a biography WP:BIOGRAPHY at this time. I feel she would be better merged as her musical content listed is notable according to WP:MUSIC. Her music is also listed in the GEMA Repertoire (German Licenced Music Repertoire) equivalent to the US recognized ASCAP ACE and BMI Repertoire Search as mentioned in the WP:MUSIC which is for the the German Territories a very strong reliable verifiable source WP:NONENG and therefore a bona fide WP:RS.Martial Fartso (talk) 15:20, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I do request as the article creater (as Shawn in Montreal(talk)and the nominator of this AFD action added above); as I did not have this article up for very long as it was an imperfect article (and falls in WP:BEFORE category). It was not (and is still not) completed in its finalized form before it was nominated for deletion. I request to the nominator to please reverse your action and to have this article be merged or cleaned up rather than AFD or to have help in having a stub be created for it with the request of expansion as listed in WP:GD (listed under Nomination section) as I do not see it as a hopeless case but a work in progress. I request this as the article's creator as I did not get a chance to speak to the nominator of this action (AFD) about his concerns about the article and discuss ways to improve this article before the action of AFD was taken. Please take into consideration what is says in the WP:GD (listed under Nomination section) "that many good articles started their wikilife in pretty bad shape." I apologize for all the messiness with the facts in this article as all the content in the article is true and all the appearances/interviews in the publications mentioned or registered with the German National and International Television/Radio broadcast stations mentioned can be physically sourced (actually recorded on VHS or tape or printed in publications and I do possess some images of these items that maybe someone (a kind fellow more knowledgeable Wikipedia contributor) can help advise on adding to the article). I will do my best to source all the information necessary to follow the recognized guidelines and make it a brilliant Wikipedia article and ask other Wikipedia contributors to please accept this and assist me in achieving this. Martial Fartso (talk) 15:20, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would have no objection to simply turning this into a redirect to Bad Habits (band). It would have the effect of deleting Wong/Butane's separate article and bringing a quick end to this. Anyone object? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:45, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.