Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glenn Dale Murray, Sr.

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The result was delete. NW (Talk) 04:07, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Glenn Dale Murray, Sr.[edit]

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Contested prod. Precedent shows that career minor leaguers are not inherently notable, and there is little else to assert notability. Subject did manage in the minor leagues, but it was at Class D, which is the absolute lowest level of organized professional baseball. Article was created by User:Drewmurray (long since disappeared from the project), which may indicate COI issues. caknuck _° needs to be running more often 08:35, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think a career spanning ten years in professional baseball offers sufficuient coverage. As for the issues with the article, that is no reason to delete, clean-up and work on issues in a peer review. Passes WP:ATH. Minor league baseball may not be the highest professional level but it it "fully professional" as stated in athlete (See, professional baseball).— Preceding unsigned comment added by Halvorsen brian (talk • contribs)
Sorry for not signing my comment. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 22:05, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- But, WP:BIO also states that meeting one of the criteria, in this case playing in a fully professional league, is not automatic grounds for inclusion. Here we have a person who (according to baseball-reference, as a player, only made it to high-A ball (three steps below the Majors) and as a manager, only worked for one season at the lowest possible fully professional league. When cases like these come to AfD, unless the subject has very clearly established notability (by winning awards, setting records, etc), then the article is deleted. This even has been the case even with top MLB prospects playing in AAA ball, the usual consensus is to delete. caknuck _° needs to be running more often 19:26, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On the grounds of consensus only is no reason to delete. As I have stated, the article has multiple issues, and those should be addressed. I have seen plenty of articles on career minor leaguers, so there is obviously no real consensus on the issue. The article claims that the player is a member of the league's hall of fame (though it is not cited, I will attempt to research that further). I think that on that basis, he is a notable figure. I could understand deletion if he had only played a few seasons, but this person has played ten, or possibly more (often Baseball-Reference's minor league database in incomplete). I will attempt to save this from deletion, so I ask you, please don't be set on the claim that all minor league players are not notable, and keep an open mind when I finish the work on it. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 21:47, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, never played near the major league level, though the article is written as if he did. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 02:24, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if you mean the sub-heads. The article states the levels at which he played, never stating he played on a major league roster, but stating he played in a major league organization. It is not intended to fool anyone. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 02:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the subheaders are definitely misleading. The headers should mention the teams he played for, and not their parent organizations. I doubt that he even saw spring training with the big league clubs. caknuck _° needs to be running more often 02:47, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was not my intention, please assume good faith. I never said anything of spring training or playing for the parent club. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 03:02, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, normal conventions in articles are to name the parent club, not the minor league team. I have, however, changed it to the years the playing time spanned. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 03:04, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete He never played in the Majors.--Yankees10 18:05, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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