Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Giorgi Abuashvili

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The result was delete. I see a consensus that the existing sourcing is insufficient. As this is a bit of a TOOSOON situation, I'm willing to restore to draft/userspace if more sources are located. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:58, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Giorgi Abuashvili[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL.

[1] - passing mention
[2] - passing mention
[3] - a very brief article in a national newspaper about a match he played one and a half years ago
[4] - his profile page in the World Football Scouting blog

We do keep some pages on promising youngsters that don't pass NFOOTBALL but I'm not convinced that Abuashvili has enough coverage yet. Suggest delete or draftify. Given that he has only played at under 17 level, I don't think that he is that close to passing NFOOTBALL. Spiderone 10:34, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 12:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - reaches GNG with this piece from Georgia's main sport newspaper. Also the World Football Scouting report, is not a mere "profile" on a database but a quite comprehensive analysis of the player history and characteristics. And although the Georgian league is not fully professional, he plays in what is arguably the best Georgian club, both in terms of history and current status. --Coco (talk) 21:19, 9 December 2020 (UTC)— Note to closing admin: Cocô53 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

I've taken the Lelo article into consideration. It's extremely brief and says little more than "16 year old makes debut and plays well". Even if we take World Football Scouting to be a reliable source, that's still just one source covering Abuashvili in-depth. WP:GNG and WP:BASIC both clearly state that sources (plural) are required and that the sources must be reliable, independent and must cover the subject in depth. This clearly is not the case here. At best this is WP:TOOSOON; the player has played 27 minutes in a semi-pro league one and a half years ago and hasn't played since. At international level, he has still only played U17. This is way too soon. Spiderone 10:19, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't go so far as to call this source "extremely" brief, although it si quite moderately sized. And it literally starts with "Remember this guy!", and goes on telling how it has "Something different, a lot of talent and football intelligence", the potential to become "leader of the Georgian national team" and concludes with "who will say that talented boys are no longer growing up in Georgia? If you are skeptical, watch Giorgi Abuashvili's game!". Sure more in-depth coverage would be better, but compared to some obscure english 4th division players he definitely has some notability on a national level. And regarding WP:GNG, those are qualitative and not quantitative standards, so in theory one only good source would be enough. Regarding his career, he also played in the national cup and captained the U17 side. --Coco (talk) 17:16, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GNG says "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" which strongly implies that there needs to be more than one source showing that level of coverage otherwise it would just say 'source'. Unfortunately, there are no inclusion criteria that says we presume someone notable for playing in a national cup or for being captain of the U17 side. Spiderone 19:02, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - notable in his country. Kolma8 (talk) 21:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Which sources suggest that he is notable among Georgians? Spiderone 11:00, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NFOOTY failure. Number 5 7 21:12, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Extremely far away from meeting football inclusion guidelines, and the coverage will not be in-depth enough to warrant inclusion either. Geschichte (talk) 08:44, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, gidonb (talk) 01:25, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete does not meet GNG, which is the minimum requirement to create an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:15, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails NFOOTY, not enough to pass GNG. --BlameRuiner (talk) 12:19, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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