Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ginzō Matsuo

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The result was keep. This AFD has completely blown out of proportion, and I don't see any point in keeping this open any more. ~~I will, however, state that Adam has been very provocative and rude to me here.~~ That is all. (non-admin closure) Sk8erPrince (talk) 01:57, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ginzō Matsuo[edit]

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Zero main roles, next to no secondary sources to establish notability. Only sizable article sourced (In JP wiki) details the subject's death. Subject's entire career has been nothing more than just (minor) supporting characters, with only one exception: Smoker from One Piece. Given that Smoker from the internationally acclaimed One Piece series is his only notable role, delete or redirect to Smoker. Fails both WP:BIO (even with expansion) and WP:WHYN. Sk8erPrince (talk) 14:05, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2016 December 7. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 14:25, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep notable enough to have a page. References list could be expanded. MFriedman (talk) 09:09, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And even if you did try to expand it, it'd still amount to three (weak) references at most (from the JP wiki). What aspect of the subject do you even find notable to begin with? Because I sure as heck aren't seeing anything, with the exception of the aforementioned role. That's about it, really. My advice is that you look into what WP:NACTOR is before you vote. Oh, and also, it wouldn't hurt to build a stronger argument. The subject isn't notable just because you say he is. You need to explain why you think that is. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 10:39, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Plays main characters in Kinkyū Hasshin Saver Kids (Omega), Jinn Generham in Mobile Suit Victory Gundam, Jack Turner in Art of Fighting, and Doctor Asimov in Red Baron. Main secondary characters include Ginnosuke Nohara (Shin-chan's grandfather in Crayon Shin-chan, Hemu-Hemu in Nintama Rantarō, and Queen of Spades in Mobile Fighter G Gundam. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:43, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'll give you Omega, since My Anime List didn't correctly list the role. But Jinn? No. That's clearly supporting. Where's your source that the subject ever played Jack? I've looked into the JP page, and nowhere is the subject listed. And even if you did find it, is there proof that shows that Jack is a main character, and not a main (or minor) supporting character? Dr Asimov is supporting, that much I'm certain. Ginnosuke isn't even main supporting. Do you know how often he appears in the series? He just pops up every now and then. That's not our philosophy of "main supporting". Neither is Hemuhemu, nor Max Burns. Joe, "Queen of Spades" isn't a character. It's one of the show's terminology. Max is, however. So, at the end of the day, after careful analyzation, the subject is clearly known as Smoker, and the main role of Omega. The former is more notable than the latter, so my proposal for redirecting to the former still stands. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 04:34, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jack's a main character in the series, one of the selection of characters from the first game. But the anime OVA series is only 3 episodes long. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 06:40, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just to verify, the subject only voiced as Jack in the OVA series, right? If so, then we can be certain that the subject is only notable as Captain Smoker. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 08:27, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Right. If he voiced in the video game series, then that he would be more notable for that. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:02, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

He also voices as Ran's dad (main character's dad) in Super Gals! But that's a supporting role. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:03, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah... there really is no use trying to save the article for this subject. He's just not notable enough, after all the analyzation we've done. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 16:28, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per well laid-out and defended rationales of Nihonjoe.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 16:59, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the roles are there to make this pass WP:ENT per Joe. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:55, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Joe and KK have it right. this passes ent--Adam in MO Talk 22:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, they don't. In fact, they are factually wrong. This is not a matter of opinion. You can't say a supporting role is a main role just because you think it is. If you're wrong, you're wrong. The end. Don't jump on the keep train if you aren't even sure that this is the ride you want to get on. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 02:22, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have an argument or are you just going to stamp you feet, whine, and say nu-uh?--Adam in MO Talk 02:41, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PERSONALATTACK right there. Better watch your mouth if you don't have anything valid to say. I've already presented the facts. You are free to ignore them. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 04:56, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So you are going to stick with the latter of the two options I presented. I'm anxious to see how this AFD works out for you.--Adam in MO Talk 08:43, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You honestly sound like a sore loser with the way you're acting just because I've harshly criticized how wrong you are. I suggest that you drop your juvenile behavior before you participate in AFDs. If you want to preserve what little face and dignity you have left, I suggest that you don't reply and do some actual research. It's only going to look even worse for you if you continue to act immaturely. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 13:34, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Talk to me about sore losers when this AFD completes, mmkay?--Adam in MO Talk 20:07, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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