Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gertrude's Dream Waltz

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. W.marsh 15:25, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gertrude's Dream Waltz[edit]

The statements in the article are impossible to verify. 99% of the Ghits for this piece of music are lists of sheet music and sheet music shops, and many of them acknowledge it wasn't written by Beethoven. DrumCarton 14:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. A few sources from respected musicologists along the lines of "Ludwig van – did he write it or not?" would make it a very interesting keeper but as far as i can detect it's pretty sketchy at this stage (wp:v). tomasz. 15:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, W.marsh 17:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Mildly interesting, but that's about it. Basically, we don't know who composed it or when. That leaves us on the subterranean end of verifiability. Yechiel Man 17:51, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep We can easily verify that it exists, and has long been attributed to Beethoven. I have added a couple of sources that help to verify that there is a dispute over authorship. A trip to a music library seems indicated -- thsi isn't soemthing likely to be online at the level we would like. DES ^(talk) 18:20, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Though it is not policy yet Wikipedia:Notability (songs) states that a song should be included if it, "...is a released single by a notable artist, band or group." Plus it is verifiable, now that sources have been added. --Tλε Rαnδоm Eδι τ оr 19:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Several of the google hists (most of which are for sheet music sales or various lists of musical works) indicate that fairly notable orcheestras have performed this at one time or another. If anyone thinks such refs would help, they can easily be added. None included useful program notes, unfortunately. DES ^(talk) 20:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- - I think they would help, since I've seen no reliable source that even suggests beethoven wrote the piece, and "a piece that Beethoven didn't write" seems to be a pretty weak argument for including it.DrumCarton 21:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - But this is about "A piece frequently, but incorrectly attributed to Beethoven" which means that it is useful, when people want to know the accurate list of his compositions, and may see this cited by a source repeating the incorrect assertion. I'll try to post some of the refs I refered to above tomorrow. DES ^(talk) 21:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 21:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Notable piece of music, with sufficient sources. --El on ka 02:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
comment I have added a couple of references. DES ^(talk) 13:36, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.