Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Nozuka
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. — Nearly Headless Nick 13:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
George Nozuka[edit]
Nom - fails WP:MUSIC, WP:BAND, and WP:BIO; claims for notability are weak; sources cited are self-created; minimal Google hits. Rklawton 03:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. MER-C 05:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep While weak, for nobility; I have seen articles far worse which have stuck around. Somitho 05:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment "I've seen worse" is never a reason for keeping an article. This guy is a one-album artist whose only release came out last month. Rklawton 06:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Fails WP:MUSIC. —ShadowHalo 06:09, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. SkierRMH,08:17, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep I can't tell you how much it incenses me to see an article put up for AFD simply because the nom and the majority of AFD watchers are ignorant of the country or culture in which the article's topic is notable. Ignorance is not non-notability. [1][2][3][4] would seem to meet WP:MUSIC criterion #1. And [5] is an arguable meet of criterion #2, which is rather vague. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ (AMA) 22:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - OK, let's see what we've learned. The first link indicates that not only has this person released only one album, but it's also the label's first release. That doesn't exactly make it a major label. The second and third articles only confirm this. The fourth link mentions a "#1" spot for one of his singles, but it isn't at all clear about what list this comes from. The fifth link is from a promotional site that lists one of his singles as #1 briefly. Face it, the kid just put out his first album on an indy label and suddenly we're supposed to believe he's a notable musician? I think our doubt is more than justified. Rklawton 23:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- If your justification for NN is not based on the music notability guideline, then don't bother citing it as a failed test. The subject passes WP:MUSIC, despite your and others' insistence to the contrary, and is therefore notable. Granted, I'd never heard of this artist before about two days ago, but I'm not Canadian. In any case, baseless deletionism bugs the hell out of me. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ (AMA) 08:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you explain how he passes MUSIC? It would certainly help this discussion along. Rklawton 15:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I shouldn't have to read WP:MUSIC to you. #1 says been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable. The first four links are independently written stories about the artist, in reliable sources such as the Edmonton Journal and Calgary Sun. here's another one from the Toronto Star. WP:MUSIC #2 says Has had a charted hit on any national music chart. The fifth link above shows the artist's single at #1 on the Canadian MuchMusic chart, and continued chart placements on subsequent weeks.
- While I'm at it, WP:MUSIC #4 says Has gone on... a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country. He has already been on a cross-Canada promotional tour, and has more stops next year. Again, read the fine cites. In any case, WP:MUSIC indicates that only one of the criteria must be met to establish notability. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ (AMA) 19:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- So you admit it was just a promo tour? By your way of looking at it, a solo act heading cross-country in a minivan to hawk his only album would qualify a musician for inclusion. That's certainly not what the policy editors had in mind. I think you might be taking too many liberties with the concept of "national concert tour". Rklawton 19:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you explain how he passes MUSIC? It would certainly help this discussion along. Rklawton 15:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- If your justification for NN is not based on the music notability guideline, then don't bother citing it as a failed test. The subject passes WP:MUSIC, despite your and others' insistence to the contrary, and is therefore notable. Granted, I'd never heard of this artist before about two days ago, but I'm not Canadian. In any case, baseless deletionism bugs the hell out of me. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ (AMA) 08:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - OK, let's see what we've learned. The first link indicates that not only has this person released only one album, but it's also the label's first release. That doesn't exactly make it a major label. The second and third articles only confirm this. The fourth link mentions a "#1" spot for one of his singles, but it isn't at all clear about what list this comes from. The fifth link is from a promotional site that lists one of his singles as #1 briefly. Face it, the kid just put out his first album on an indy label and suddenly we're supposed to believe he's a notable musician? I think our doubt is more than justified. Rklawton 23:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Although urban Canadian music is a small market, it is important nonetheless. There are plenty of other artists in the same class that have their wiki articles, which is useful for me, a Canadian. 1dsm3 12:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.