Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George M. Wyckoff Jr.

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 18:11, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

George M. Wyckoff Jr.[edit]

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An article with only one source - my attempts to find other sources brought up his wife's obituary, a company registration with his name in it, and some mentions about the closing of the town mill. Nothing on him specifically except for the obituary. His political position doesn't get a notability pass. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. SportingFlyer talk 21:28, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 06:59, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Maryland-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 06:59, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not ever mayor of a place with over 10,000 people is notable, and that would need to be the standard to grant Wyckoff notability with the actual level of coverage of him we have.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:59, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - Article passes core content policies (V/NPOV/NOR). Wyckoff's career has been covered in depth in papers from his home states of Pennsylvania and Maryland, and newspapers.com gives 200+ articles which mention him.[1] Their was some national coverage of his 1982 mayoral campaign, but that was due to a human interest angle as there was a significant write-in campaign for a dog in the race. From the rest, there is a passing coverage in The Philadelphia Inquirer Pittsburgh Post-Gazette The Pittsburgh Press, but most of the coverage is in local Cumberland papers. Smmurphy^(Talk) 15:00, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Being able to nominally verify that a mayor existed is neither an automatic NPOL pass in and of itself, nor an automatic exemption from having to pass NPOL just because the article is technically V/NPOV/NOR. In cities this size, the test is the ability to reference the article over NPOL #2 — which requires considerably more than just a small handful of the local coverage that every mayor of everywhere could always show. And Cumberland is so close to Pittsburgh that it's either inside or only just barely outside the local coverage range of most of Pittsburgh's television and radio stations, so the fact that a bit of coverage can be found in Pittsburgh media is not strong evidence of expanded extra-local notability in and of itself. He'd probably qualify to have an article if it were referenced much better than this, but the fact that the content is technically VNPOVNOR is not in and of itself enough to exempt him from having to have a stronger notability claim, and better sourcing for it, than just "he existed as a mayor, one local source and two obituaries, the end". Bearcat (talk) 18:23, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting that Cumberland, Maryland is 100 miles from Pittsburgh. The Pittsburgh Media Market includes Garrett County, Maryland but not quite neighboring Allegany County, Maryland, where Cumberland is located. That said, your point stands, if one thinks that local coverage should be (heavilly?) discounted, Pittsburgh papers could be considered local. All the more because Wyckoff's father was a leading Pittsburgher as well. Smmurphy^(Talk) 19:37, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure local coverage should be discounted for being local, but if there's a bunch of local coverage and little to no coverage outside of the area, and we're taking a very zoomed out look at the article (ie not discussing specific sources), I think an assumption could be made regarding coverage that is only WP:MILL. Looking specifically at this article, it's currently sourced by two obituaries, and the actual non-aggregated sources I can find discuss him in passing of the mayor of a town whose mill is closing, golf tournament agate from Pittsburgh, the and the dog write-in votes story. Just not enough here, and doesn't get a pass for being mayor. SportingFlyer talk 04:53, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:25, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Cannot see how the individual meets the requirements of NPOL; the coverage is routine and not indicative of notability.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 04:12, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:HEY I did a modest, expand, source. The obits to which the article was sourced made it clear that this dude who owned a steel company in the 1980s was notable. But I added stuff like an long profile of his life and mayoralty that ran in the Baltimore Sun, coverage of Cumberland Steel in the Washington Post, and coverage of him in a profile of the city that ran in the San Diego paper (I presume it was a wire service story,) commemorating Cumberland's bicentennial. Unsurprisingly, there is a great deal more available in news archives.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:20, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Week Keep Not especially important person, or mayor, but there does seem to be enough sources in the newspaper archives. The population of Cumberland is irrelevent. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 00:53, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:40, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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