Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gentlemen of the College, The

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The result was Delete. —Ocatecir ^Talk 03:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gentlemen of the College, The[edit]

A college a capella group. Most American colleges seem to have them. The claim to notability seems to be that they are the oldest such group in the college - which is not actually a claim to notability. Possibl;e merge to a lost of groups and societies at the College of William & Mary. Guy (Help!) 13:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:MUSIC. Due to the massive amount of precedent for deletion these things, I'm surprised it wasn't speedied. I doubt there would have been any objection. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete although it is a close call. Sadly all the sources cited are exactly the kind that the guidelines suggest are not valid - ie minor listings or college newspaper entries. If only a major source had reported their performances for the President or the Queen! However in the absence of these sources, it does not strictly meet the guideline for notability. Kim Dent-Brown ^{(Talk to me)} 15:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If only a major source had reported their performances for the President or the Queen! The sarcasm is killing me! Morgan Wick 19:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - That isn't really sarcasm, to be honest. tomasz. 10:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The sources cited in the article do not establish the notability of this group. UnitedStatesian 19:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to College of William & Mary. Corvus cornix 21:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep After reviewing the guidelines for deletion, it states that if any one of the 10 criteria listed are met, that the article's subject should be considered valid. One of these includes musical competitions. ICCA is the largest collegiate a cappella competition in the country, and thus the group's strong placement in previous years, even if it no longer competes, should be considered evidence for validation. Furthermore, I've seen a few articles on similar groups that have zero substantianting claims to notoriety and quality which have not been deleted. Also, one of the sources describing their performances is the Washington Post, hardly an unreliable source. Colin 22:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- But none of the sources meet the criteria of WP:V or WP:RS. Corvus cornix 22:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Please avoid the "we haven't gotten around to deleting other bad articles, so this one has to stay" argument. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. And the Washington Post source is hardly "describing" their performance: it lists the time place and ticket price (we can't even tell from that source if it happened!)UnitedStatesian 14:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non-notable by WP:BAND, WP:CORP, lack of multiple non-trivial sources. tomasz. 10:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no need to merge as there is no content which is both sourced and notable. Savidan 16:09, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete due to lack of evidence that they satisfy WP:MUSIC. This group is not the oldest a cappella group at their college, just the oldest all-male one; there is an older coed a cappella group. [1] Also, most of the awards they won are things like regional semi-final championships, as opposed to national awards. --Metropolitan90 05:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Only the most elite college singing groups such as the Whiffenpoofs and Krokodilios pass WP:BAND and rate an article. Every college has singing groups. Herostratus 14:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -multiple sources have been added to this site, including an ariticle written by a Richmond Times-Dispatch reporter and published in the Richmond-Times Dispatch and the Explorer Jamestown 400 Website. This does report that the Gentlemen of the College did in fact perform for the Queen's visit to the College of William and Mary. This, combined with the many honors received by the group as well as the prestigious audiences and events the group has performed for should verify that the Gentlemen are an a cappella ensemble worthy of an entry. dpmagu 12:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- — dpmagu (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Corvus cornix 17:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The fact that they performed somewhere is not a source which discusses them as the primary focus of the article. Corvus cornix 17:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete nn. JJL 23:29, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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