Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gene Haynes

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 15:02, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Gene Haynes[edit]

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WP:BLP of a high school principal, who has no really strong claim to being more notable than most other high school principals. Nothing stated here is a genuinely strong claim of nationalized significance at all, and none of the sourcing expands beyond the purely local human interest coverage that any long-serving principal of any high school could probably show in their local media. Bearcat (talk) 22:17, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ - (note I have a coi here - I know Gene well) He has a street named after him in a large city and was the first black hs coach in the state. Almost every hs principal will be a long serving educator when they near retirement. Few will have played as large of a community role which is evidenced in the references in this article as well as in a search on gnews, etc. Deepest apologies again for my coi. Smmurphy^(Talk) 22:35, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have striked out !vote of the COI person (I do like it was an admitted one so), but also serves as a solid comment ground for now. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 22:49, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, I have no problem with a struck !vote. Smmurphy^(Talk) 00:16, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - To follow up, I've added a proposed awards section te the talk page: Talk:Gene Haynes#Awards. Smmurphy^(Talk) 15:19, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 23:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nebraska-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 23:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete high school principals are almost never notable for such, and no other claim for Haynes notability exists.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:57, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete All coverage is local and fairly standard for a long serving member of the community. Being an educator for 50 years is commendable, it just doesn't make one encyclopedic. Papaursa (talk) 21:57, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- The state level awards (Nebraskalander, black sports hall of fame, African-American Congressional History for instance) got statewide and regional newspaper coverage. Also, the Omaha World Herald is a regional paper, and Haynes' coverage in the paper has not only been in the local or sports sections but is also on the front page and in general news sections. Smmurphy^(Talk) 23:22, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

State awards are usually not considered enough to show notability. I am a bit confused. How is the Omaha World Herald not the local paper for someone who's entire career was spent teaching in Omaha? Papaursa (talk) 03:28, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was trying to point out that there is coverage of Haynes in sources based outside of Omaha[1] and that coverage of him in the Omaha World Herald is significant and not "human interest"-only. Of course Omaha is local to most of his career. Since a the discussion is in part focusing on the question of "local" I want to point out that WP:LOCALINT failed, I think, because it was too restrictive. But even if one tries to satisfy that essay, coverage of Haynes has, I think, "to a very high standard, have multiple reliable sources independent from the subject that provide in-depth, non-trivial coverage pertaining to the subject itself." Smmurphy^(Talk) 09:20, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A well-cited educator with a local and statewide reach who has been cited extensively in media sources beyond his local community. • Freechild | talk to me 02:35, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please tell me what sources are not local for a man from Omaha--Omaha Magazine, Omaha World Herald, or Omaha licensed KETV? Papaursa (talk) 03:28, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am a little surprised by this, but I am leaning towards keep per WP:ANYBIO and WP:GNG after my evaluation of the sources. I arrived to this conclusion based of the independent coverage (i.e. [2], WOWT: [3], [4], [5]), the Congressional History Award presented by Lee Terry [6][7], and the renaming of the street in his honor by the Omaha City Council [8][9]. The news coverage suggest Haynes is both a principal and a prominent figure in the Nebraska community. Note, from what I can tell, WP:BASIC doesn't discount reliable local sources. Thsmi002 (talk) 04:10, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mississippi-related deletion discussions. Thsmi002 (talk) 04:54, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:26, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I want to explain the reasoning behind my vote in more detail. There seems little doubt that Gene Haynes has been an asset to his community. However, every community has many people of whom that can be said, so that alone wouldn't seem to make him "encyclopedic". My comment on "local sources" was meant as a question/challenge to the editors who said the coverage was not local because he "got statewide and regional newspaper coverage" and "has been cited extensively in media sources beyond his local community." It may also be worth reminding people that WP:RS says "Human interest reporting is generally not as reliable as news reporting" and WP:N says "Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability". High school football coaches and principals are rarely considered WP notable, regardless of duration. Papaursa (talk) 20:36, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:ANYBIO. I'm assuming the person who brought that up is referring to #1 "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times." This would be something like the Medal of Honor or a Nobel prize. He has a bunch of little known awards. The "street named after him" is only for part of a street that is near his high school. The sources for the little known "African-American Congressional History award" (hardly any search results) are "US Fed News Service" and a .gov site - not independent coverage. The local news coverage doesn't show that he is known throughout his state. Morgan Ginsberg (talk) 10:13, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 15:06, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

delete Don't believe WP:ANYBIO is met. None of the awards he's received are major. The street name change only affects the part of the street beside the school where he's principal. I found nothing to show his record as a coach or principal is notable. WP:BIO says a person should be "remarkable", "significant", or "unusual enough to deserve attention" and I don't see that he meets any of those. He appears to be well thought of and has been in his position for a long time, but neither of those meet any notability standards. Not seeing broad geographic coverage that would distinguish him from the "local heroes" that are honored in every town.Sandals1 (talk) 19:17, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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