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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 06:46, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gauche Socialiste[edit]

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Non-notable political faction, fails WP:GNG. The only reliable source coverage I was able to find was this editorial in La Presse (FR), which itself cites Wikipedia as its source. The faction's own website has been dormant since 2016. Chajusong (talk) 17:57, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:50, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:50, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Quebec-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:50, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I could not find any other reliable, secondary sources. I suspect the best option is to delete and have this page redirect to Socialist Left (France), although the English version of that page also has a dearth of sources. The French version seems to be more referenced, but someone with better French skills and knowledge of RS in France might correct me. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 20:32, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: The article in question here is about the Gauche Socialiste faction in Québec Solidaire, a Québec-based provincial party. Both the articles linked to in your comment are about the Gauche Socialiste faction in the *French* Socialist Party (which is absolutely notable), so redirecting there wouldn't be appropriate. Chajusong (talk) 23:55, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Chajusong, maybe I wasn't clear! I am supporting your proposal to delete the page, because I agree that the Québecois party is not notable. Once that is deleted, I believe the best think to do with the empty page is to turn it into a redirect to the French party. Does that make sense? Firefangledfeathers (talk) 00:07, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Firefangledfeathers, Oh, yes, I definitely misunderstood you! There are currently pages that link to the existing Gauche socialiste page, and I was thinking that you were saying "this page should be deleted, and those links should be redirected to the French party's Gauche socialiste faction" - I was disagreeing with that. I think I now understand that you're saying "once this page is deleted, the term 'Gauche socialiste' should be understood to mean the notable French party faction, and the term should point there", and I do agree with that! Chajusong (talk) 00:16, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Status of the website is irrelevant. Discussed in Alexander's International Trotskyism, *the* authoritative text on the history of the Trotskyist movement.[1] Discussed as one of the four main factions of Quebec solidaire[2] Mentioned in 1986 Yearbook of International Communist Affairs[3] Appears in Maitan's history of the IV International.[4]

References

  1. ^ Alexander, Robert Jackson. International Trotskyism, 1929-1985: A Documented Analysis of the Movement. Duke University Press. pp. 156, 157, 760. ISBN 978-0-8223-1066-2.
  2. ^ Robichaud, Daniel; Cooren, Francois. Organization and Organizing: Materiality, Agency and Discourse. Routledge. p. 180. ISBN 978-1-136-20733-4.
  3. ^ Yearbook on International Communist Affairs. Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace, Stanford University. p. 62. ISBN 978-0-8179-8321-5.
  4. ^ Maitan, Livio. Per una storia della IV Internazionale: la testimonianza di un comunista controcorrente (in Italian). Alegre. p. 468. ISBN 978-88-89772-08-9.
Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 22:49, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • That certainly moves me closer to the fence. I can only access those sources as the Google Books links you sent, but what I can see suggest that Alexander is definitely reliable, secondary, and covers GS significantly. Regardless of reliability/secondariness, the other three don't seem to cover GS significantly at all, and the Yearbook might just be talking about a magazine with the same name. Do you think there's evidence that this subject is significantly covered by multiple RS? Firefangledfeathers (talk) 03:01, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vaticidalprophet 08:23, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 03:56, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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