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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ––FormalDude talk 12:05, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gary Holmgren[edit]

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Non-notable boxer; fails WP:NBOX. JTtheOG (talk) 21:36, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gary The HAMMER Holmgren is an extremely well documented and notable boxing champion out of St Paul Minnesota. The fact you even petitioned for a deletion of his wiki page is a joke and makes you look foolish.

As an inducted profession boxer in the Minnesota boxing hall of fame he is regarded as a legend and has more of a right to be here than you do.

http://www.mnbhof.org/Minnesota_Boxing_Hall_of_Fame/Gary_Holmgren.html

He is featured in countless news articles and publishing’s throughout his history.

https://www.twincities.com/2017/08/05/st-paul-boxing-basement-of-legend-will-get-second-run/amp/

https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/12/how-a-st-paul-basement-boxing-space-came-back-swin/

https://www.republicaneagle.com/business/former-boxer-firefighter-opens-new-restaurant-in-coliseum-sports-bar/article_6fddb031-03a4-54e5-af0a-b5d293f69cdc.html

https://www.60yearsofboxing.org/round-8--honors---awards.html

http://www2.mnhs.org/library/findaids/boxbd01.pdf

https://africanring.co.za/product/gary-holmgren-1974-1984/

https://briollaw.com/briol-fight-clip/

https://www.twincities.com/2017/08/05/st-paul-boxing-basement-of-legend-will-get-second-run/

Just do a Google search for yourself, I’m sure you’ll get plenty of results ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.115.159.102 (talk) 00:26, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep, appears notable per above and [1] [2] [3] and [4]. I'd like to note that failing NBOX alone is not a reason to delete, per NSPORTS, which it is part of: Please note that the failure to meet these criteria does not mean an article must be deleted. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:07, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Even if these were not routine sports reporting, they are all from the same paper and thus would count only as one source. Papaursa (talk) 19:36, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(1) There were two newspapers I listed above, (2) I said "per above" as well, meaning that my "keep" vote was based on the above sources listed by the IP in addition to the sources I listed myself, and (3) "routine" coverage applies to events and not people, see this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:50, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gary the Hammer Holmgren was also featured in a novel featured on Google books based on his notability throughout Minnesota boxing history and boxing history in general.

https://books.google.com/books?id=qS_MDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT514&dq=gary+the+hammer+holmgren&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiurvij3fj1AhXlSjABHUVVAtUQ6AF6BAgLEAM — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boxinginformer (talk • contribs) 22:51, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

— Boxinginformer (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Being mentioned twice in a book is a long way from being "featured". The first is that he was a friend of someone's on the trip and they ate at his restaurant and the second is a "way are there now" comment that says he sold the restaurant and is trying to learn how to use a smartphone. Clearly not significant or independent coverage. Papaursa (talk) 19:36, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:46, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Would someone please show me the significant, independent, and non-routine coverage that they believe shows he meets WP:GNG? I've already made a couple of comments above about some of the sources. The Washington Times article is simply a reprint of one the local Minneapolis-St. Paul articles. There's an article/interview in a local paper about him opening a restaurant and some passing mentions and routine sports results. Being a Minnesota state champion and being in that state's boxing hall of fame do not meet any WP notability criteria. I'm not voting yet in order to give those supporting keeping this article a chance to respond. By the way, 107.115.159.102 was blocked as a sockpuppet. Papaursa (talk) 19:36, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sure! See this, this, this, this, this, and this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:50, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 01:23, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete nothing notable found, no sources other than the Pioneer Press a few times. Oaktree b (talk) 01:54, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Did you see all the other sources listed above that are not the Pioneer Press? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:17, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:42, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. There is adequate coverage. And in response to a mention above of a news article in one metropolitan newspaper being reprinted in a newspaper in a major media market which is a thousand miles away, that shows widespread notability. Kablammo (talk) 13:26, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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