Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fresno State–Hawaii football rivalry

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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:41, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fresno State–Hawaii football rivalry[edit]

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WP:NRIVALRY says "Sports rivalries are not inherently notable" and defers to WP:GNG. GNG states "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." Rivalry is not establish via the current (lone) citation. There is some routine coverage in some search results showing slight, but not significant (or national), coverage. UW Dawgs (talk) 09:52, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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This is not so easy. The Fresno Bee is a nationally recognized newspaper, and [1] this statement explains that Hawaii has played Fresno State more than any other team. The article itself is nothing more than a Wikipedia blog. I'm going to !vote Delete, as if there is no one willing to take on the large job of adding inline citations, this should not be on Wikipedia. Unscintillating (talk) 22:01, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Unscintillating: The fact that the article can be improved, including adding inline citations, is not a valid reason for deletion except in the case of a biography of a living person (which this is not). The issue here is whether this rivalry is notable, and the extensive coverage dating back to the 1950s shows that it is. Cbl62 (talk) 12:28, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I could go into a thoughtful policy based rebuttal with quotes and an IAR with reasons added to cover gray areas, but with no one working on this article, I wonder if the ARS has editors interested. Unscintillating (talk) 01:47, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. This Division I FBS series has longevity dating back to 1938, has been played 50 times, and has been evenly matched (26–22–1). Moreover, a preliminary search turns up multiple sources discussing this series as a true rivalry since at least the 1950s. Examples include: (1) "Hawaii, Fresno Resume Grid Rivalry Tonight", The Honolulu Advertiser, 1957; (2) "Warriors, Bulldogs have payback on their minds: Heated rivalry will play out before national audience", The Honolulu Advertiser, 2001; (3) "UH vs. Fresno spawns trash talk", The Honolulu Advertiser, 2003; (4) "Nothing rivals this football matchup", The Honolulu Advertiser, 2003; (5) "UH, Fresno have trophy to play for", The Honolulu Advertiser, 2008; (6) "Hawaii-Fresno State rivalry deserves a fitting prize", Honolulu Star-Advertiser, 2013; (7) "Fresno State & Hawaii: 50 years of football, screwdrivers and ... ‘odd’ elbows?", Fresno Bee, 2017; (8) "Rolovich recognizes, relishes the rivalry with Fresno State", Honolulu Star-Advertiser, 2016; and (9) "Should the Golden Screwdriver be an official trophy? Absolutely, Hawaii coach says", Fresno Bee, 2016. Cbl62 (talk) 12:16, 4 December 2017 (UTC) See also (10) "Warriors Host Rival Fresno State In 50th All-Time Meeting", Hawaii web site, 2017 (describing Fresno as Hawaii's "longest-standing rival"). Cbl62 (talk) 12:34, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Cbl62. Additional source: "No day at the beach for 'Dogs, Hawaii develops into fiercest football rival for Fresno State" Fresno Bee (2005) WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 09:19, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sourcing found by Cbl62 - although I would like to see some coverage from sources outside the Fresno/Hawaii area. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:04, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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