Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frederick Law Olmsted School

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — ΛΧΣ21™ 00:27, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Frederick Law Olmsted School[edit]

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Delete, I believe that this fails WP:GNG guidelines. I attempted a redirect which according to my understanding of notability unless the school itself is notable should be rerouted to the district page, this was reverted so asking for notability discussion for determining actual article notability sts and whether or not deletion is appropriate or redirect to Buffalo Public Schools Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:30, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Subject meets GNG guidelines. The school also contains a high school which meets the notability standard for WikiProject Schools. --D-Day (talk) 18:00, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:28, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:28, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Verified secondary schools have a general presumption of notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 19:51, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes GNG and has plenty of 3rd part RS refs. isfutile:P (talk) 20:20, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep All high schools and middle schools are notable by default, as set out in WikiProject schools... This one is no exception! Easily passes notability guidelines. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 09:14, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep . Passes GNG. This is a classic example of the reason why schools are aslo exempt from CSD A7. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:10, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Really not seeing any way shape or form that this school is notable. The coverage is trivial or based from it's own district webpage, I'd sure like someone to explain to me since I obviously don't see what you guys see how this passes notability. There's no notable alumni, no historic buildings and even less history to show. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:13, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's a secondary school. That's all it needs. They are invariably kept, as several editors have said above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:29, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The project talks about showing non trivial reliable sources. There is not non triviable coverage on this school. The article does say most High Schools should be kept that certainly does not mean all. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:31, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Specifically: Individual articles must usually meet the Wikipedia notability guideline. It has been the subject of years of discussion on how school articles should fit into this guideline. Many proposals have been made for a specific guideline for school article notability such as Wikipedia:Notability (schools). In practice articles on high/secondary schools and school districts are usually kept, as they are almost always considered notable. (Where is the proof of notability?) Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:37, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. They're almost always considered notable. In fact, recently they have always been considered notable, as the five keeps so far indicate. So effectively, yes, it does mean all. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:13, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Almost all is not all and I would appreciate a answer (If you're able) how it does meet those, I'd like to understand see because if I'm off base I need to so you can dance away or around the question but a straight answer with a justification would help me more. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:18, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Try this and remember WP:BURO, WP:IAR and WP:COMMONSENSE. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:38, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's a cop out that doesn't come close to answering any of the notability standards so I will have no choice but to continue editing according to my understanding of notability guidelines, if this causes discussions that may have otherwise been a waste of time unfortunate but needed. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:51, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Effectively just a waste of everyone's time, since we know what the result will be. Please remember that Wikipedia doesn't have rules. We decide by consensus and long-standing consensus is that all secondary schools are notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:27, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Again arguably this could be avoided by pointing out how the school is notable, I'm not making up the criteria that needs to be met, the wikiproject schools is, we disagree, you'll do what you think is best and I will do the same. This will be a snow close but apparently we'll be meeting again in the future so until that time I am stepping out of this discussion. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:48, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - contains a high school and the program is likely separately notable anyway. The whole point of the notability guidelines is to keep the trivial, unimportant and nonsense off the encyclopaedia. This is why they are guidelines and not policy. They were never intended for attempts to delete non-promotional articles on public institutions of obvious significance based on the nuances of the guidelines. TerriersFan (talk) 22:06, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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