Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Franz Alexius

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The result was delete. This result only applies to Franz Alexius Courcelles 20:07, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Franz Alexius[edit]

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Contested prod. Fails WP:NFOOTY having never competed in a fully-professional league (the Bundesliga only being formed in the 1960s). Player also seems to fail WP:GNG. J Mo 101 (talk) 20:35, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also nominating the following articles for deletion for similar reasons. EDIT: Nomination for Beck and Bars withdrawn. See below. J Mo 101 (talk) 14:11, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. J Mo 101 (talk) 20:43, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all - fail WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 20:49, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep all~~ - All three have played at the highest level of German football. Especially given the stipulations of WP:FOOTYN, I would say all three of these people are notable. Just because it was over 50 years ago, doesn't make them any less notable than people who do the same thing today. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:23, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FOOTYN states that amateur era players must have played at a national level to be considered notable, which isn't the case here (though admittedly it's a bit of a grey area, since of course a national league structure didn't exist at all at the time). In any case, I don't agree that simply playing in any of the five regional Oberligas of that era is sufficient. By that logic there would be more footballers eligible for an article on wikipedia from the 1950s than in today's German league system, despite never playing at a fully professional level! J Mo 101 (talk) 23:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You make some good points, and I'll admit I was a little over hasty, so I'm changing my vote. Sir Sputnik (talk) 13:26, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Heinz Beck and Willi Bars - Beck played in the final of the DFB-Pokal, which is notable regardless of the era. Bars played in the endrunde (final, for the lack of a better translation) of the German championship, which at the time was the national league structure. I haven't found anything conclusive on Franz Alexius yet, so I'm voting Delete for now. Sir Sputnik (talk) 13:26, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a fair compromise. I'm happy to withdraw my nomination for the two players you mention, so hopefully this AfD can be closed. J Mo 101 (talk) 14:11, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:21, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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