Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flute repertoire (2nd nomination)

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The result was withdrew. Now that it is trimmed up, fully listified, and used for navigational purposes, I see a use for the page. (non-admin closure) Why? I Ask (talk) 08:03, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Flute repertoire[edit]

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Wikipedia is not a directory or an indiscriminate collection of instrument repertoires. This article claims to try and "present a representative sampling of the most commonly played and well-known works in the genre", but Wikipedia's goal isn't to provide flautists with a list of what to play. It is supposed to present readers with an encyclopedic overview of the flute's use in the orchestra, something that can be achieved with a concise section on the Western concert flute article.

For the page navigation of flute music, Category:Compositions for flute will suffice rather than a crufty list that may contain only twenty or so actually notable pieces.

I'm renominating, as the RfC discussed to deal with these articles also ended in no consensus. I have no prejudice with the title and using it to write something akin to Euphonium repertoire, but a simple list doesn't work. Why? I Ask (talk) 14:39, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and Lists. Why? I Ask (talk) 14:39, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. You recommend the category instead, but that is per alphabet, and a list organised by time and scoring seems less arbitrary. If the list serves some readers, why not have it. It does no harm. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:03, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Because it is pure listcruft. It lacks proper selection criteria. If you were to call a piece repertoire, then it needs sourcing. If you want to purely be for navigational purposes, then I could see that. But in that case, most entries would be removed to about 25 or so. Why? I Ask (talk) 16:27, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Concur with the immediately preceding comment. Tim riley talk 16:16, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Then would you mind sourcing it? If not, then most of the entries will probably be removed due to a lack of notability and sourcing. Why? I Ask (talk) 16:21, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Listify per keepers. The assertion that the selection is "indiscriminate" is not backed up. The article has been around since 2005, and the same ed did the first, failed, nomination only two months ago. Johnbod (talk) 17:30, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by listify? It is already a list. And yes, it is currently indiscriminate, lacking sources or reasons for inclusion. Merely existing is not suitable for being listed in a repertoire list. The last one was a no consensus turn-out as people wanted to hold an RfC that also ended in no consensus. Why? I Ask (talk) 17:37, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Standard term - it is now not titled or categorized as a list. And yes, your last nom failed. Johnbod (talk) 17:44, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's a list. It is literally formatted as a list. The lede says "these lists". There is no requirement for it to be called "List of..." to be a list. How the heck are you going to "listify" something that is already a functional list.

And yes, my last nom was a no consensus. That's why I'm nominating again. It didn't "fail" and end as a keep. Why? I Ask (talk) 17:55, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and move to list of flute repertoires. CPORfan (talk) 06:12, 3 December 2022 (UTC) ( Blocked sockpuppet of BFDIFan707, see investigation)[reply]
That title makes no sense. It should be List of flute compositions, in that case. Why? I Ask (talk) 06:18, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I have now fully listified it and only kept compositions that are sourced or have Wikipedia articles. If no one has any problems, I will close as keep. Why? I Ask (talk) 05:53, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
for those late to this: it looked like this before the socalled cleanup - a call to find sources for the information lost --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:24, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You won't find sources for pretty much all of them. For example, if I look up "Monroe in Summer" by Grundman or "Saint Francis and the Animals" by Buss, the top results on Google are either places to buy sheet music, this article, or the author's website. These lists become collections of non-notable pieces by minor composers. You're welcome to add back pieces so long as the WP:BURDEN is met (e.g., a reliable source discussion the piece in full). Why? I Ask (talk) 07:14, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.