Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Floriberta Jiménez Torres

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. While there were more delete than keep votes, most were simply "per nom", and what is and what is not notable is not established by us, so saying "only gone for 42 hours" and "kids go missing all the time" completely misses the point. If news sources (and thus a large number of people) found it notable, then it meets our standards. (Aside: not finding it in Google News and a lack of current event tagging should not be surprising for an incident that happened in 2003). The article provides multiple references to backup the notability claim, and thus, should be kept. Turnstep 00:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Floriberta Jiménez Torres[edit]

Tried to prod, but was reverted so afd'ed as a result of this. Wikipedia is not a newssource, my opinion is that this is more or less a regional event, the person in question is not notable, and as such should be deleted. She was only gone for 42 hours, and like it or not, kids go missing all the time, many of whom are kidnapped. Bjelleklang - talk 23:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I'd like to see this article prove itself better. At the moment I'd have to support if I were forced to vote. MyNameIsNotBob 00:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Simply not notable. dbtfztalk 00:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Unfortunate, but nn. -- MusicMaker5376 00:49, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - general subject is notable; individual may be notable in context of list or article about events on a larger scale. -Ekajati 01:37, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete; what general subject is that? Melchoir 02:07, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, definitely not notable --Deville (Talk) 02:12, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. Most of the Google hits for her are Wikipedia mirrors. --Metropolitan90 02:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. --TorriTorri 03:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. --Terence Ong 03:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. SorryGuy 06:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. ekedolphin 07:48, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Wikipedia is not last night's local news bulletin. -- GWO
  • Delete per nom. DarthVader 13:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Who in the hell is that person? 63.173.47.193 15:27, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The subject of the article was an innocent child put in a life threatening situation at the hands of US governement officials. Nomination is an example of Systemic bias. The article is clearly noteworthy. davidzuccaro 16:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Shit happens. And it's very unfortunate when it happens. But it happens all the time, and this person/event is not notable enough for our encyclopedia. Wait until she becomes a leading pro-immigrant activist. ;-) Grandmasterka 18:27, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • If you are aware of other instances of US government officials endangering the lives of innocent children through either incompetence or malevolence then I for one would want to hear of them. However I think this victim is only one one very few. Hence she is notable.davidzuccaro 05:34, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Definitely not-notable. --Siva1979Talk to me 19:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - How can this be non-notable?! Luka Jačov 21:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Very small untagged stub about a current event without a current event temaplate. General Eisenhower 21:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I searched the major periodicals online and found absolutely no mention of her. I would suspect that the article's claim "Her case made the news world wide" is a bit of an overstatement. — ßottesiηi Tell me what's up 23:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • If major peiodicals fail to report an event, the event and the people involved are not necessarily not notable. davidzuccaro 20:46, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • El Vocero in Puerto Rico had an article about her. Futhermore, I saw her news on online editions of newspapers in Argentina, India and Russia. If "Her case made the news world wide" is an overstatement, then "The Pope is a religious man" should be considered an overstatement too. This was a long time ago, not yesterday night. Antonio Bosnia Martin
  • Keep --serbiana - talk 23:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -per nom, nn Srikeit(talk ¦ ✉) 00:54, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Per nom. ILovEPlankton 02:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep --GTubio 12:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. No googlenews hits; Wikipedia is not a news source. OhNoitsJamieTalk 23:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep Subject was major Hispanic media news. This is not a current vent , it happened more that a year ago. Hundreds of children are kidniapped everyday, not many are found inside a trunk. Florencia was. 558 Google hits. Antonio Flerencia! Florencia! Martin
  • Delete per nom. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:44, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the exact reason Bottesini voted Delete: major periodicals did report the event. Note that a few of them spelled her name "Floriberta Jiménez Tomás":
Also Keep per Bjelleklang's nomination; see Jennifer Wilbanks - we do keep articles about people who were "only gone for 42 hours", or otherwise become famous through short-lived sensational news stories. Even Mexican people. AnonEMouse 20:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep due to new coverage evidence presented. It appears now that she does have major news coverage, in a less loathsome way than Natalee Holloway. And please, assume good faith. Grandmasterka 03:42, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete News coverage does not necessarily confer encyclopedic notability. Eusebeus 21:53, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Actually, it does. WP:BIO, "Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events". AnonEMouse 22:00, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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