Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fixing America

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Sandstein 11:27, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fixing America[edit]

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Interesting project, but surely this doesn't meet the film and documentary notability guidelines? Slashme (talk) 17:51, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. -- 1Wiki8Q5G7FviTHBac3dx8HhdNYwDVstR (talk) 20:35, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per it already having sources speaking about the production and thus showing the project as specifically meeting WP:NF. I do not have to watch it or care one little bit about what it purports to document, as film notability is found through just enough coverage. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 06:27, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —☮JAaron95 ^Talk 18:07, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete since it meets none of the "Other evidence of notability" criteria, it would only be saved by having significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Schmidt is incorrect about the guideline, the mere having of sources is not sufficient. One newspaper article from the hometown paper about their mayor's project and a couple of videos from the local Rhode Island NBC affiliate (channel 10) don't make it. By the way, the video links in the article are dead. The correct links are Interview: Steve Laffey… Feb 15, 2013 and Laffey Making A Documentary… Feb 15, 2013 and they work with Micosoft IE, but not Chrome. --Bejnar (talk) 15:14, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

LOL Thanks for the chuckles. Please review WP:N which tells us that having sources available IS sufficient: IE: topic notability is based upon sources being available, NOT upon their actually being used. And please, OEN is not an inclusion mandate, and are only listed "attributes to consider" when searching for sources. If you found dead links, you are welcome to fix them. And that your computers's version of chrome does not allow you to watch the two News 10 interviews (my own Chrome works just fine), is a problem with you and your computer, NOT with Wikipedia... which does not mandate Internet explorer only or Chrome only or Firefox or Mozilla only browsers. That "you" cannot personally view sources does not make them non-existent. Try updating your Chrome and your flash player and good luck. And please, Wikipedia does not demand world-wide or country-wide coverage. If WJAR were only some local backwater station, it might be dismissable as "too tiny to matter" that they made the editorial choice to cover a topic notable to their state. A little research reveals WJAR was Rhode Island's first television station and the fourth NBC station in all of New England, and we learn it is the NBC-affiliated television station for the entire state of Rhode Island (est.pop 1,055,173) and expanding into Bristol County, Massachusetts (est. pop 554,19). As Wikipedia does not demand nor require worldwide notability, determinable as notable in and to even a small state such as Rhode Island is just fine. It is a grave injustice to declare an entire state as inconsequential... specially as this NBC station serving nearly 2 million people is not exactly some" minor" church news bulletin. Again, thanks for the smiles. Best of luck in fixing your computer issues. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 16:59, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That wasn't a very civil response. --Slashme (talk) 06:24, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have had a long on-Wikipedia relationship with, and a great deal of respect for Benjar. We rarely disagree on matters of policy and guideline. So I can only think it was a jest of some sort when he appeared to denigrate an entire state as "local", made a hilariously incorrect statement about my understanding of guideline, and was able to share that he has what must be computer issues when viewing online news sources. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 12:30, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —☮JAaron95 ^Talk 14:21, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@MichaelQSchmidt: Please, could you share with us the indepedent reliable sources for the notability of Fixing America that exist but are not used? Right now from the three cited sources (two video from the same interview) and what I have found, I do not see the substantial coverage, and my initial searching showed no coverage in Gale's magazine and academic databases. I did find a review in Rhode Island's The Current-Anchor here, a mention on the local radio station here, and a mention on Rhody Beat here. The imdb did not provide any direction Fixing America at IMDb. It would appear that there isn't much coverage, and that the coverage is not substanntial and is purely local to Rhode Island. I am happy to consider any other sources that you may have found. --Bejnar (talk) 18:40, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.