Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Financier

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Investor. The new DAB can be handled by a hatnote at the redirect target. So Why 06:42, 10 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Financier[edit]

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Dictionary definition (WP:DICDEF), and unsourced since 2007. The content is vague blather not worth merging anywhere. Sandstein 14:25, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Economics-related deletion discussions. Jupitus Smart 15:19, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:04, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note too that this page is linked to as a See also from the main article, Investor, as is Businessperson and even Stock investor. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:06, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, expand, add references. bd2412 T 22:45, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Easy to say, difficult to do. If it were that easy, we could say this in every AfD and close it as "keep"... What reliable sources are there that cover the word "financier" as something other than just a word describing somebody who works in finance?
- Merge and redirect to Investor. After further researching this subject, I believe that the best resolution of this matter would be to merge this topic into Investor. A financier is a kind of investor (or, in some cases, a person who arranges relationships with other investors, but still only relevant within the context of the role of the investor). Looking over the hundreds of incoming links, this is the clear primary topic of the term by intent. bd2412 T 15:03, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and replace with a dab page for The Financier, Financier (cake), and The Financier, which merged into Financier and Bullionist. A wiktionary link and maybe some mention in the intro are sufficient for the business aspect. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:46, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I find it implausible that there is not a primary topic for the term "financier". Placing the dab page here will lead to editors making a lot of bad links as they try to fix incoming links by pointing to inexact matches like "investor". Of course, a financier can be an investor, but is also someone who arranges to have others invest in an enterprise. It is trivially easy to find sources that support a distinct and encyclopedic meaning of the term. bd2412 T 00:38, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - I support the dab idea. Financier, investor, banker, etc. are just words for somebody who works in finance, investment banking or banking. These are the topics (with all of their subtopics) that we need to cover, and not disperse our editorial resources over a zillion vaguely related terminology articles, or else we end up with a lot of unsourced useless permastubs like this one. Sandstein 06:52, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - I believe that this is factually incorrect, and will lead to confusion rather than resolving confusion. Per the sources that I have found (of which I have added some to the page), not every financier is either an investor or a banker. A financier is a person who sees to the financing of a project for their own benefit, whether those finances come from their own pocket or entirely from the pocket of a third-party investor. Even if this is not the primary topic of the term, it should either exist at some title as a WP:DABCONCEPT page, or redirect to a page explaining the distinctions in finance terminology to alleviate exactly the kind of error as is exemplified by your statement (possibly merge with Investor). Please note that if this page is converted to a disambiguation page, WP:FIXDABLINKS requires that the 500 incoming links be fixed before that change is made, to avoid giving our disambiguators heart attacks. I assume that either you or Clarityfiend is prepared to volunteer to undertake this task? bd2412 T 12:49, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 11:37, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Since it's been raised as an option, I've added to the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 11:38, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Selective Merge, probably to Investor. The page is mostly a dictionary definition. No opinion on creating a new DAB page. Power~enwiki (talk) 00:40, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I've created Financier (disambiguation). Clarityfiend (talk) 01:53, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thank you. The collection makes it absolutely clear that no other sense - not the obscure pastry, not the 1912 book named for the profession, and not the early 1900s magazine also named for the profession - can possibly come close to challenging the profession as the primary topic. bd2412 T 03:39, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY due to good work by BD2412. Bearian (talk) 13:58, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.