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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. v/r - TP 03:35, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Federico Pistono[edit]

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No significant awards, and his book on a robot-induced economic collapse is self-published -- which, as one would expect, has only 8 library holdings. (His SF book I can find no traces of anywhere) Other than that, the article is a list of speeches he gave. The three photos of him giving talks adds to the atmosphere of promotionalism (I note that the description of the first refers to him as "world famous bestselling author Federico Pistono") . I hesitated on this one,because it looked like a good many references, but they're mere links to his talks or announcements of them. DGG ( talk ) 18:08, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:14, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:15, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The books are not notable in terms of legitimate book reviews in independent sources, which is not surprising for a self published book (agents and publishers normally do that). Maybe a couple [1][2] The sources in the article are mostly by Pistono (including interviews) or don't mention Pistono. There's some borderline and Italian sources, if someone really wanted to they could argue Keep but those sources wouldn't support the article as written. The article is weighed down by PRIMARY and not enough reliable independent significant secondary to justify AUTHOR or GNG. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 08:09, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not delete I think the page might be worth some re-editing or the removal of non-reliable sources.
    • First and foremost: I am a personal friend of Federico Pistono; my view will certainly be biased, although I will try to be as objective as I can. As this is a discussion and not a page edit, I think my contribution should fall under the guidelines of Conflict_of_interest#Biased_editing. Also, I am aware of the Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion#Sockpuppeting_is_not_tolerated Socketpupping issue, hence my forewarning. Please help me understand what I might be doing wrong.
    • Some of the concerns listed above are valid, but I believe there is room for improvement on the page, rather than deletion. The Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Summary_deletion.2C_creation_prevention.2C_and_courtesy_blanking mentions that:

      Biographical material about a living individual that is not compliant with this policy should be improved and rectified; if this is not possible, then it should be removed. If the entire page is substantially of poor quality, primarily containing contentious material that is unsourced or poorly sourced, then it may be necessary to delete the entire page as an initial step, followed by discussion.

    • There is one significant government award, albeit its importance might be of limited significance to those coming from a non-Italian background: it is listed as note 34: [3] in the page. Others include the scholarship for the Singularity graduate university, the journalism contest on Climate Change.
    • Many of the sources are not just links to his speeches, but contain also a critical review or are part of larger discussions such as [note 13|Federico_Pistono#cite_note-13], part of the Wall Street Journal Digital Network (although I am not sure if a video could be taken as a reliable source). Others could be argued. My point is that there is room for debate, not to discuss the validity of certain sources. Unfortunately I am not familiar enough with the guidelines to offer a good review of them.
    • Regarding self-promotion: I do not think any of the points referenced on WP:PROMOTION apply here, although the article does sound like it. I believe this coud could be an excellent point for some editing. I could not find the bits added by the professionally paid editor; I asked Pistono and he confirmed he was not involved with such user. Nothing one could quote as a "reliable source independent from the person" but at the same time worth more investigation, rather than deletion.
    • On the negative side, I agree - the article does not qualify for Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals. The SF book is nowhere to be found. And all the simple links to the talks should be listed on a personal page or a blog.
    • On the dubious side, many sources are not in English. I do not know if this would be a good case for this page to be kept only in other languages; however, doing so would make this page's case against deletion even weaker, as there would be even less sources in that specific language.

I hope to have contributed to the debate. Apologies for my unfamiliarity with the entire process. Sincerely, Lorenzo g (talk) 20:57, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

— Lorenzo g (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. - tucoxn\talk 03:48, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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