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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Acknowledging that AfD is not a vote, and after weighting each editor's arguments accordingly; there is a clear and overwhelming consensus that the article should be kept. (non-admin closure) Jack Frost (talk) 11:21, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fahim Saleh[edit]

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Failed GNG. He gets some coverage because of murder.

  1. The person has not received a well-known and significant award or honor or has been nominated for such an award several times.
  2. The person has not made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field.
  3. The person has an entry in the Dictionary of National Biography or similar publication.

It Should be Redirect to Pathao#Death of Fahim Saleh. ~Moheen (keep talking) 11:17, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:20, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:20, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't understand what you mean by "The person has an entry in the Dictionary of National Biography or similar publication" when you are arguing for deleting an article. Kaisernahid (talk) 15:55, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dom Kaos did you read this article or check news reference. Can you explain why you vote for redirect? 42.0.7.237 (talk) 22:38, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and Redirect to Gokada - Notability is not inherent and no independent notability apart from his organisations. 158.145.185.248 (talk) 15:08, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep — As per above. He was a notable businessman, and there does seem to be many sources online. The page definitely needs to be improved nevertheless. UserNumber (talk) 15:36, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Notable businessman, audacious movie-style murder, identity and motives of hitman of continuing interest. Erxnmedia (talk) 16:00, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Notable businessman. 172.58.107.161 (talk) 16:42, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep — You, my friend, seem quite anxious to delete the page of Fahim Saleh. Fahim was a giant of Entrepreneurship. The fact that he did not receive much media coverage prior his death does not belittle the contributions of his life; it shows the foolishness of the media to overlook the potential of this young visionary. Saleh was the mind behind PrankDial, a famous app that earned him over $10 Million. He also founded Pathao, a successful transportation business in Bangladesh, whose model he sought to replicate in Lagos, Nigeria with his new business Gokada. You itch to delete his page. I wonder why. I think I know: you are an Agent. Of whom, I do not know. But you are an agent -- an agent of destruction and assault. Fahim Saleh was already killed. But you, my friend, are killing his legacy -- an act which I consider far worse. I hope you have the basic human decency and common sense to revoke this deletion and reconsider what you have just done. Celsius123 (talk) 17:43, 16 July 2020 (UTC)— Celsius123 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. ~ Amkgp 💬 17:54, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There is sustained significant coverage of him pre-death that shows he is notable. Furthermore, with regards to the AFD itself, it is highly improper to strike comments made by other editors, even if they are seemingly made by SPAs. Tagging as SPA should be sufficient. Acebulf (talk) 19:54, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep A quick search on Google News shows headline from the Washingtong Post, CNN, New York Times, Business Insider, and tons of other reliable sources. His life and death is well covered. Amin (Talk) 22:06, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:BASIC. Saleh is a founder of 2 notable companies (Pathao and Gokada) see: [1][2] and his death generated significant international coverage [3][4]. TJMSmith (talk) 01:51, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith (talk) 02:17, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith (talk) 02:20, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • You guys are made an encyclopedia fun. Please mention that by which criteria the subject is notable accept his death? ~Moheen (keep talking) 06:52, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is hard to read your English. You can write either "You guys are making a fun of encyclopedia" or "You guys have made encyclopedia a funny thing" where I assume by encyclopedia you referred to wikipedia. Kaisernahid (talk) 15:55, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • When you say "Please mention that by which criteria the subject is notable accept his death?" do you mean "except" instead of "accept"? Kaisernahid (talk) 15:58, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Notable entrepreneur who founded Gokada in Nigeria. A google search of him shows significant coverage of him, prior to his death. He generally meets GNG as he has "Made a widely recognized contribution that is part of an enduring historical record in a specific field". Gokada was the first tech-savvy Motor bike, ride-sharing service in Nigeria and that is significant. His work with Pathao is also very significant. There is need to improve the article, however as it relies heavily on articles related to his death and so to the untrained eye, it would appear that he is only famous for his death. That is not the case.Orowalemuyola (talk) 08:00, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - There are a number of reliable sources that prove his notability prior to his death, which have now been added to the article. There are at least [5], [6], [7], and [8]. The last one's reliability is unclear, but the others are certainly reliable and provide clear evidence of notability. Gbear605 (talk) 17:19, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - The deceased satisfies the converse of criteria 2 stated in the original post of this discussion - The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field. In this case, the field the deceased significantly contributed to was in the tech sector. A notable independent contribution comes from a financially successful but controversial web application called PrankDial, other significant contributions are cofounding transport/ridesharing service companies called Gokada and Pathao. The independent contribution has endured in history to be widely used, while the latter two contributions can be argued to be significant in history despite the deceased not having independently created these two ventures. All this on top of the coverage in his death warrants a separate article. References to these contributions from reliable sources exist and have already been highlighted in this discussion chain. Phna7 (talk) 22:31, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I'll keep my input short and simple. Fahim has had a significant enough impact on the world especially considering what he has done in the developing world. Yes he has been getting extensive media coverage because of his tragic death but that does not at all take away what he had accomplished and contributed to society. --Osh33m (talk) 17:50, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly recommended to keep the article in Wikipedia. An young entrepreneur had few very successful and innovative ventures in different countries in more than three different continents and tragic murder that draw huge attention of mass media in different continents.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Drmnhossain (talk • contribs)

@Drmnhossain: This isn't where you make an argument to keep the article. The place for that is the actual deletion discussion page. Adam9007 (talk) 00:26, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and redirect Bangla Wikipedia also delete this article and redirect to Pathao, it's not consider WP:ANYBIO rules and it's need to redirect Pathao article here also. We should never follow just a emotional side, we need consider every kind of Wikipedia rules.F R Shuvo(talk) 03:23, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Different language Wikipedias don't follow the decisions of other ones for a number of reasons, including different rules and different availability of sources in varying languages. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't do the same as Bangla Wikipedia, just that we shouldn't be persuaded just by that. My understanding is that ANYBIO is relevant for historical figures, which is not relevant for Fahim. In addition, on the page of WP:ANYBIO, it says "Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included". Also on the page, it says "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." There has been significant coverage of Fahim in many sources (just look at the references on the current page), and those sources certainly meet the requirements (the articles from the New York Times, the BBC, and HuffPost, for example). Gbear605 (talk) 04:16, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - In addition to the various examples given above describing the contribution of Fahim, I want to make argument here only considering his death. This article satisfies the criteria for WP:VICTIM and WP:ONEEVENT under WP:BIO. For additional example, you can check the wiki page for Rodney King or George Floyd under the same criteria. I would urge the people voting here for deletion to delete those articles of Rodney King or George Floyd first. Thanks. Kaisernahid (talk) 07:43, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Keep and Close The subject was a highly prominent business professional who made a significant impact in multiple countries. This request for deletion is clearly a mistake. Capt. Milokan (talk) 22:43, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The subject is clearly notable enough therefore passes WP:GNG. Abishe (talk) 05:42, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Keep As the subject clearly passes WP:GNG for inclusion with the number of significant independent reliable secondary sources. Kaizenify (talk) 12:26, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Keep & Comment. There are more than hundreds of international news source available about Fahim. So how can its fails WP:GNG ? Are you stupid Moheen Reeyad? who said everyone need to first get award after notable? How do you say he didn't contribute any recognition? He was a successful entrepreneur and businessman who was CEO of Pathao, Gokada an also PrankDial. According to The New York Times published a news on fahim was a Millionaire business-man. What else do you need to believe that he was a significant person and businessman ? Change your stupid Bengali wikipedia politic mind because its not your Bengali wikipedia like your own choice. He’s just not known for his murders, A quick search on Google News shows headlines from the Washington Post, CNN, New York Times, Business Insider and many other reliable sources. His life and death are well covered, It was even internationally discussed & trending news. Even, Who vote here Delete and redirect, just need to understand that He didn't come to notable from his death or his emotional place. He was a successful entrepreneur and was a highly prominent business-man in his own right. This article passes per WP:GNG, WP:BASIC, WP:VICTIM, WP:BIO. I believe that who nomination this article WP:COIEDIT related. This article shouldn't be delete, Thanks. 42.0.7.237 (talk) 22:26, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per above all. -Hatchens (talk) 03:48, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Easily notable.Williamsdoritios (talk) 07:36, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, Subject is quite notable founded two notable companies Pathao and Gokada and he is all over the internet. Em-mustapha talk 13:43, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Keep — Echoing M-Mustapha, Kaizenify, Orowalemuyola, Phna7 & of course CAPTAIN MEDUSA. There’s definitely sufficient coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. Surely I doubt a thorough WP:BEFORE search was duly conducted. Why hasn’t this been speedy kept already? Celestina007 (talk) 19:30, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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