Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Executive (Lebanese magazine)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 07:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Executive (Lebanese magazine)[edit]

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Not notable. The magazine is not notable. It is not widely cited or quoted. Wikipeterproject (talk) 00:49, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Lonely article. ~~Non~~weakly-notable magazine, I've found nothing that can expand the article beyond stub. Mattg82 (talk) 23:04, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment:Just to add that after further searching, I've found some sources from other publications that use quotes from the mag but I still cannot find anything about the mag itself. Mattg82 (talk) 23:16, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Where is the magazine quoted? I haven't been able to find any such quotes. Wikipeterproject (talk) 22:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: one quote here + there are a couple of other examples but I've forgotten where they are, but it's nothing that makes the magazine very notable. Mattg82 (talk) 23:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. this is a notable magazine as it is on sale in all the major shops in UK. just because you cannot find anything on the internet does not mean it is not read widely and it does not mean it does not have influence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg.loutsenko (talk • contribs) 10:58, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Response: With respect, that is not really a valid argument to keep the article. Firstly, it's not sourced (you will need to provide independently verifiable circulation figures or something like that) and, moreover, the primary criterion to keep the article is notability. Notability is not established by circulation, although common sense would imply that it is an indicating factor. But circulation alone isn't a deciding factor. Wikipeterproject (talk) 12:11, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 00:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:N - no demonstrable significant coverage in reliable, third-party sources -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 06:03, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I hesitate at deleting this article because is the type of publication that may well be notable, but because it deals with lebanon (where the official language is arabic), as opposed to say, South Wales, its difficult to find sources that reference it (beyond quotes and passing references which verify its existence). Having circulation information would be useful. I feel like Wikipedia:MAGAZINES#Notability could be met but I can't prove it.--Milowent (talk) 17:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This appears to be an English language magazine. See their website (here). The Lebanese Telecommunications Regulatory Authority estimates the circulation of the magazine to be abround 12,000 (see statistic here). The fact that an English-language magazine has so few sources leads me to believe that it is not notable. There is some self-promotion online (for example a blurb about the magazine on a communications conference/convention website), but I can't find anything where the magazine as a whole or an article from the magazine is quoted by a third party. Wikipeterproject (talk) 22:02, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: Ah, the circulation information is useful. 12,000 is not bad, considering I've seen many articles on small newspapers that have lower circulations (though likely never subjected to an AfD). I converted the name "Michael Karam" into arabic earlier and did a search on that, and found some articles in arabic which discuss his wine writings, but searching for "Executive" in arabic isn't very fruitful. I haven't !voted in this AfD because I can't substantiate my leanings.--Milowent (talk) 22:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Circulation really doesn't help with notability (note that it is not a criteria). There are many weekly local papers circulated to 120,000 people - they still aren't notable. If there may be offline sources, and someone is willing to really work on finding them and expanding the article, then I'd suggest having the article userfied if its deleted. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:45, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lebanon-related deletion discussions. —Milowent (talk) 17:49, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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