Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Every Little Thing (band)

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The result was speedy keep. No deletion recommendations, and nomination withdrawn. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 05:36, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Every Little Thing (band)

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Non-notable band, couldn't find any non-trivial independent references. ColinFine (talk) 21:37, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

• Weak keep on the basis that sources for a Japanese band aren't necessarily going to be readily accesible by English speakers, and one can reasonably assume that such sources would exist for a band that has apparently sold millions of albums and singles. (Google image searches instantly return images of the band which is usually a good sign that there are sources which I haven't located.) - DustFormsWords (talk) 23:15, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:24, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:24, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
• Strong keep band IS notable. They sold millions, all of their releases have charted on the Japanese charts and they have several number-ones. Sources for them in English may not be easy to find but there are plenty of them in Japanese. Google.jp News search. Here is an entry for the band on Allmusic which shows that they are notable. Allmusic MS (Talk|Contributions) 01:21, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

• I'm with you on the keep but Allmusic aren't an independent source because they are a vendor of the band's music. - DustFormsWords (talk) 01:36, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment Well I never knew that Allmusic wasn't an independent source, but it has been used in various music biographies on Wikipedia as an acceptable source and it does show that the band is notable. MS (Talk|Contributions) 01:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

• Comment - Allmusic is probably fine as a reliable source (see WP:RS), so it may well satisfy the verifiability requirements at WP:V. It's just not independent, which means it can't count towards the coverage needed to pass WP:N, which is the main test of notability. Also, in all honesty, there probably are more articles on Wikipedia than I can count that DO wrongly use Allmusic as an independent source but that's not relevant as they're not the articles we're discussing right now. (See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.) - DustFormsWords (talk) 01:52, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment: The article passes WP:N without Allmusic anyway. MS (Talk|Contributions) 02:02, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment: This is rather sad. Every Little Thing is one of the most famous bands in Japan. It is like trying to delete Lady Gaga or Madonna. Sure, the article needs citations and references, like nearly all articles that we have, but this is not the appropriate forum to solicit them. Bendono (talk) 01:54, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

• It may be unsourced, but given the material present in the article, including multiple #1 singles and albums, this artist clearly passes WP:MUSIC by several kilometers. Given how #1 hits are pretty damn easy to find sources for verification, a WP:TROUT to the nominator for failing to follow WP:BEFORE -- there are several steps to take before bringing an under-referenced article to AfD, which is clogged up enough without having to deal with obvious keepers. —Quasirandom (talk) 02:56, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
• Comment: I won't vote keep since I was an editor and have a conflict of interests, but I will point out that Every Little Thing is a pretty famous band in Japan. Unfortunately, it is hard to find English sources because it clashes with the "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic" song. A good reliable page is Oricon, they create the weekly, monthly and annual rankings for Japan the industry of both video and music use to measure success. The page for ELT there has several interviews (in Japanese, sorry) and the profile for Kaori Mochida (the singer) states 8thシングル「Time goes by」がミリオンセールスを記録し、その後の2ndアルバム『Time to Destination』は400万枚を超える大ヒット作品となる。 (The eighth single "Time goes by" set a million sales record, afterwards the second album "Time to Destination" became a hit selling past 4,000,000 units). Also, an old Oricon printed table (only available through posts like this one show Time To Destination as the tenth best-selling album in Japan history (the table itself is outdated, though, but shows the scale of their success). The article surely requires sourcing (as most articles from foreign topics) but it is notable in itself. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 15:42, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

  iTunes sells the band's music, and in the profile page it explains they have 3 million selling albums (Everlasing with 2 million is another), 14 top albums and 25 top ten singles. Not sure how trustworthy people at the Music Wikiproject consider iTunes or its descriptions. In their home page (in Japanese), in the history section they also mention Everlasting selling about 2 million units, and Time to Destination around 4 million. There are also lists of their national tours like Spirit 2000 (25 shows in 17 venues in two months), Concert Tour 2001 4 FORCE (31 shows in 22 venues in 2 months), 2002 a-nation (A-vex discography concert with its most important stars, 10 shows in 8 venues in one month), 2003 tour Many Pieces (26 shows in 21 venues in two months), 2003 a-nation (12 shows in 7 venues in month and half), Commonplace concert tour 2004-2005 (44 shows in 40 venues in six months), 2004 a-nation (7 shows in 5 venues in one month), 2005 a-nation (7 shows in 5 venues in one month), 2006 a-nation (5 shows in 5 venues in one month), Concert Tour 2006-2007 Crispy Park (30 concerts in 26 venues in four months and half), 2007 a-nation (5 shows in 5 venues in a month) and Concert Tour 2008 Door (25 shows in 23 venues in 2 months).

  Again, it is hard to find english written reviews. There is news from a national tour, though. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 00:59, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

• Keep - there should have been more WP:BEFORE work done on this one. Notability of band and availability of reliable sources are obvious thanks to the work of the folks above. There has got to be a better procedure for drawing this kind of community attention to an article that really needs improvement, rather than deletion. DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 17:11, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
• Keep spotted them today in a travel guide to japan. In the music section there was a photo of a live performance and the caption referred to them as a popular band. The travel guide was by National Geographic, without question a reliable source.Dandy Sephy (talk) 15:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
• I withdraw the nomination. Evidently I should have done more before nominating, but I'm not quite sure what. I had never heard of them (unsurprising, I've never heard of most of the bands I see articles on), and a google didn't turn up anything obvious. --ColinFine (talk) 18:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Possibly searching in Japanese, given they're a Japanese band? Just a suggestion ... —Quasirandom (talk) 03:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

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