Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Evan Andriopoulos
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The result was delete. (X! · talk) · @191 · 03:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Evan Andriopoulos[edit]
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vanity/notability I am nominating this article on Evan Andriopoulos because it is in conflict with the rules of Wikipedia Self promotion and indiscriminate publicity as the author User:Brynulf is, in fact, Evan Andriopoulos. It was shown that Brynulf states this on his userpage: "The host of several web blogs including www.thenewenglandcoast.com" If you go to www.thenewenglandcoast.com you will find that the host is Andriopoulos. Also, by doing an internet search I located his e-mail address which uses the same Brynulf moniker. I also feel that there are other problems with this article. It has been listed for clean up since October of 2007 the article was created by the subject in January 0f 2007. His notability also seems to come into question as he is or was a Norweigian hockey player. There are no news articles that I can find at Google that shows he is very notable. So it is a vanity article of a non-notable hockey player in Norway. Plank (talk) 05:32, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. We should avoid the term "vanity" when referring to an autobiographical article. Is the Norwegian hockey league fully professional? If so, then he passes WP:ATHLETE. Notability is more important than the question of who wrote the article. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:54, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. — Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:54, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. — Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:54, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The subject meets the notability guideline for athletes. The fact that the subject of the article may be its creator is not relevant to the AfD process. That is a misapprehension on the part of the nominator. __meco (talk) 09:14, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I have tried and can not find any sources to back the claims in this article. The Norwegian news archive search ATEKST gives no relevant hits. Without sources the article should be deleted per WP:V. Also, the article refers to the club Norwegian club AIK. Is that Aker ishockeyklubb? Rettetast (talk) 10:45, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: http://www.eurohockey.net/players/show_player.cgi?serial=18530 states that Andriopolous played two seasons for a Norwegian 4th division club (Aker Ishockey, yes). That certainly doesn't meet the WikiProject's standard, and it doesn't meet WP:ATHLETE either; semi-pro clubs aren't "fully professional." RGTraynor 11:22, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per RGTraynor. Play(ed) in a semi-pro league. Does not meet WP:ATHLETE, WP:GNG or WP:V. Resolute 14:47, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Non-notable. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 16:15, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Doesn't pass the criteria for athletes or general biographies. Patken4 (talk) 01:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Snowball Delete - It is Winter Olympic time in Vancouver! -Pparazorback (talk) 02:26, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- KEEP. Since it is not against the rules as Meco stated for one to start their own article and since there are other articles about Norwegian hockey players, I believe that there is enough notability for inclusion. I noticed that much of the article has been truncated and I think it should be restored until the conclusion of this discussion. More sources would help prove notability. I did notice while doing a Google search that he must have been notable in Norway because he was given a movie role there by a prominent director. [1] Taking all this into consideration I think his notability is established. Friuli (talk) 04:16, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- What does the fact that there are other articles on Norwegian ice hockey players have anything to do with this? Other Norwegian ice hockey players have articles because they pass the notability guidelines for athletes. They have played in top professional leagues like the NHL or the Elitserien. Mr. Andriopoulos played in the fourth division of Norwegian hockey, which is semi-professional. And the fact he appeared in a movie and has an IMDB page doesn't mean he's notable either. I know a few people who have an IMDB pages and they aren't notable either. Patken4 (talk) 05:38, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- You're not taking into account that he was not just a player but a coach as well. The fact that he, an American, was given a role in a Norwegian film leads credence that he was notable as a player/coach in Norway. Just like athletes in America who are given cameos in films. The fact that he is not an actor otherwise lends credence that it was his notability as an athlete that he was given the role. This and his other principle activities leads me to believe that he passes the muster of general notability as well as that of an athlete even if it is on a lesser team. Friuli (talk) 07:07, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- No, we're not taking that into account, because someone doesn't become notable just because he does several things in his life. Rather than arguing that Andriopoulous is "notable" because he's done some things you think makes him so, I recommend you review the notability criteria at WP:BIO, WP:ATHLETE and WP:HOCKEY/PPF#NOTE and tell us which of the listed criteria for notability you believe he meets, and why. RGTraynor 12:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I notice that you yourself did some work on the article RGTraynor. You obviously thought there wasn't a problem, otherwise you wouldn't have wasted your time on the article. What's changed? I'm sure that Wikipedia has some articles on college coaches/players and college sports are not even semi-professional. Friuli (talk) 17:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I wouldn't exactly call an AWB search and replace changing Defence to Defense (Which was immediately reverted. btw), Work on the article. -Pparazorback (talk) 18:38, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Neither would I. And yes, Wikipedia does have some articles on non-notable college players and coaches. When we find them, we file on them at AfD. If you've found any yourself that so far has escaped our notice, we'd be grateful for tipoffs. RGTraynor 19:19, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I notice that you yourself did some work on the article RGTraynor. You obviously thought there wasn't a problem, otherwise you wouldn't have wasted your time on the article. What's changed? I'm sure that Wikipedia has some articles on college coaches/players and college sports are not even semi-professional. Friuli (talk) 17:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Coaches of fourth division Norwegian clubs aren't notable, just as players of fourth division Norwegian clubs aren't notable. In addition, his role in the Norwegian movie is named "Secret Service Agent #1", which doesn't sound like a major role. Looking at WP:ENTERTAINER, which of the three criteria does he meet? He has yet to have a major role, let alone a major role in multiple movies. He doesn't appear to have a large cult following. And there is zero evidence he has made a significant contribution to entertainment. Patken4 (talk) 13:58, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not suggesting that he would fit the criteria as an actor or for inclusion under an actor's bio, what I am suggesting is that he was notable in the place where he played hockey for a professional film director to give him a role, because he was a known Norwegian hockey player and coach. The whole point is if he wasn't known, he'd never have been given a credited role. Friuli (talk) 17:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Many people are given credited roles in films for reasons other than they are notable. It could be he happens to know the director or one of the actors. It could be he's done other non-credited roles and he fit the need for a "Secret Service Agent #1" and an agency suggested him. And of course, he could have gotten the role out of pure dumb luck; being in the right place at the right time. Random, non-notable people get credited roles in movies all the time. It isn't a noteworthy accomplishment. There is nothing to suggest he got this role because he was famous in Norway. He's a 6-0, 230 lb American who can probably speak Norwegian. It would seem that sort of person would fit the criteria of a "Secret Service Agent #1" in a Norwegian film. Patken4 (talk) 18:06, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Friuli, you may be confused about what we mean when we say a subject is "notable" or not. It has nothing to do with whether we think the subject's important. It's whether the subject meets the standard criteria for inclusion stated in several places, most particularly WP:N, WP:BIO, WP:GNG and in this case, WP:ATHLETE. In none of these criteria does "being known" a factor. RGTraynor 19:22, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Many people are given credited roles in films for reasons other than they are notable. It could be he happens to know the director or one of the actors. It could be he's done other non-credited roles and he fit the need for a "Secret Service Agent #1" and an agency suggested him. And of course, he could have gotten the role out of pure dumb luck; being in the right place at the right time. Random, non-notable people get credited roles in movies all the time. It isn't a noteworthy accomplishment. There is nothing to suggest he got this role because he was famous in Norway. He's a 6-0, 230 lb American who can probably speak Norwegian. It would seem that sort of person would fit the criteria of a "Secret Service Agent #1" in a Norwegian film. Patken4 (talk) 18:06, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not suggesting that he would fit the criteria as an actor or for inclusion under an actor's bio, what I am suggesting is that he was notable in the place where he played hockey for a professional film director to give him a role, because he was a known Norwegian hockey player and coach. The whole point is if he wasn't known, he'd never have been given a credited role. Friuli (talk) 17:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- No, we're not taking that into account, because someone doesn't become notable just because he does several things in his life. Rather than arguing that Andriopoulous is "notable" because he's done some things you think makes him so, I recommend you review the notability criteria at WP:BIO, WP:ATHLETE and WP:HOCKEY/PPF#NOTE and tell us which of the listed criteria for notability you believe he meets, and why. RGTraynor 12:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- You're not taking into account that he was not just a player but a coach as well. The fact that he, an American, was given a role in a Norwegian film leads credence that he was notable as a player/coach in Norway. Just like athletes in America who are given cameos in films. The fact that he is not an actor otherwise lends credence that it was his notability as an athlete that he was given the role. This and his other principle activities leads me to believe that he passes the muster of general notability as well as that of an athlete even if it is on a lesser team. Friuli (talk) 07:07, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The news coverage found by Google news gives the person sufficient coverage. And if searched in their native language, even more news results would probably appear. Dream Focus 15:52, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Does not meet the requirements of WP:ATHLETE or WP:N. I only denied the prod because I wasnt sure about his level of norweigan hockey, but now that I looked into it, it does look like its not a professional league. -DJSasso (talk) 21:46, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete i do not see what makes him qualify for notability under wp:athlete (professional leagues here???). im leaning towards delete Ottawa4ever (talk) 22:54, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - With all credit to the wonderful work of the Article Rescue Squadron, the article still doesn't pass WP:N or WP:ATHLETE. He doesn't play at a professional level, he's got no particular notability through his business efforts, and Google searches are unable to turn up any significant coverage in independent reliable sources other than the one story from The Day cited in the article. - DustFormsWords (talk) 02:52, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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