Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/European Civil War

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Szzuk (talk) 21:22, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

European Civil War[edit]

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The article has many problems, aside from being a pointless topic, the article is written very poorly and is biased towards the 'supporting case' RandomIntrigue (talk) 14:22, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:47, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:47, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:48, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I was initially very skeptical of this article's notability upon seeing this AfD - was about ready to call ESSAY/OR/POVFORK/etc. HOWEVER, in my BEFORE I see multiple sources referring to 1914-45 (and various other time periods) as a European Civil War. There are whole books - [1][2] (Cambridge University Press was willing to have a title of this), book chapters - [3][4], coverage elsewhere - [5][6][7]. So - it seems that as a concept this exists and is notable. Icewhiz (talk) 15:07, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (after ec), it seems to be a common enough academic conception to treat the first half of the 20th century, or an even longer period, as a continuous European civil war. Books on the subject include Fire and Blood: The European Civil War 1914-1945, Civil War in Europe, 1905–1949, The European Civil War: The First Twenty Years, 1917-1936, and it is discussed in depth in The Oxford Handbook of European History, 1914-1945 (Chapter 19) and The International Context of the Spanish Civil War (Chapter 1). The nominator argues that the topic is pointless, but pointless has never been a criterion for deletion here, and however pointless, it is certainly notable so meets WP:GNG. Everything else comes under WP:NOTCLEANUP. SpinningSpark 15:11, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep To qualify, an article on a WP:NEOLOGISM must cite what reliable secondary sources say about the term or concept, not just sources that use the term. I think that the discussion that forms Chapter 19 of The Oxford Handbook of European History, 1914-1945 qualifies. Agree with the nominator that "the article has many problems, aside from being a pointless topic, the article is written very poorly and is biased towards the 'supporting case'" but none of this is grounds for deletion. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:55, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This neologism is found in enough reliable sources (as per Spinningspark's vote) to be considered notable. ToThAc (talk) 21:08, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- I do not like the term and reject the historical analysis on which it is based. However we have it, and so need this article. However, the content should be primarily historiographic not historical. In other words anyone who tries expanding this to provide a lot of detail of the various wars needs to be firmly told not to. Ideally there should be a tag for this, but it would probably need to be a specially written one. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:46, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per above. --Doncram (talk) 17:51, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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