Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erynn Chambers

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The result was keep. WP:SNOW, WP:HEY Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 07:06, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Erynn Chambers[edit]

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a fun article but this TikTok user fails WP:ENTERTAINER. Most of the links are just a peripheral mention. There are no big reviews of the TikTok's users one song. Sorry. Charliestalnaker (talk) 00:19, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - funny article but a minor TikTok user is not notable per Wikipedia and even that one little song does not meet WP:ENTERTAINER for notability. Sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charliestalnaker (talk • contribs) 00:25, 9 October 2021 (UTC) [reply]
Note At the time this was put up for deletion, the article featured on the main page in the DYK section. I've pulled that hook for the time being. Schwede 66 00:48, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep—I'm the author of this article. Chambers pretty clearly passes WP:GNG. And your interpretation of the sources being peripheral doesn't match up with the... y'know, sources. Also, you can't vote in your own deletion discussion. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 01:31, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1], [2], [3]. That's my WP:THREE, although there are plenty more I could pick from.

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Delete. Fails WP:ANYBIO. Not covered by reliable sources in depth. KidAd • SPEAK 02:00, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@KidAd: chambers can still pass gng even though she doesn't pass anybio, right? as a genuine question, how does chambers not pass gng? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 02:08, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WP:GNG states, in part, "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. Something like this really doesn't establish notability. KidAd • SPEAK 02:12, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@KidAd: fine, but what about an article like this? That seems to be pretty in-depth. this doesn't seem like a trivial mention either. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 02:14, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

First source isn't in English, so I really wouldn't know. #2 looks like a blurb. The subject of this page is only 1/10th of that article. KidAd • SPEAK 02:24, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:BASIC, there is also: From the renegade to Black Lives Matter: How Black creators are changing TikTok culture (NBC News, 2020), Body neutrality: What if you don't really love or hate your body? (BBC, 2020), A TikTok Influencer Poked Fun at Country Music - So George Birge Wrote a Song That May Make Them Stars (People, 2021), Online activism: a year in review (MIT Technology Review, 2021). Beccaynr (talk) 02:08, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep passes WP:ENT#3 as made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. The Today Show for instance. People. Even NPR wrote about her. One million Tik Tok followers. The nomination seems wrong - perhaps a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Lightburst (talk) 02:22, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Seems to me that it meets WP:GNG. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:26, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. Beccaynr (talk) 05:58, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Per WP:HEY, the article has been expanded with information from sources that were in the article about the multiple works and collective body of work by Chambers, and with additional sources, and I think the expansion helps emphasize, at minimum, how the sources support the WP:BASIC criteria for notability of people, including but not limited to how If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. Beccaynr (talk) 06:12, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I was wondering where to find that second clause, thanks. It shouldn't be about how much any one source gives you, it's how much you can get out of all the sources without original resource. The article meets WP:BASIC either way, but the combination of sources seems like more than enough, given the quality and quantity of the article's content. (thanks to Beccaynr for the tune-up, i do appreciate it) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:19, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment a note to @Charliestalnaker: As Joseph2302 and Kusma pointed out at WT:DYK, per WP:SK, an article qualifies for speedy keep if The page/image is currently linked from the Main Page. In such cases, please wait until the link is no longer on the Main Page before nominating. If the problem is urgent, consensus should be gained at WP:ERRORS to remove the link before nominating for deletion. It's already been six hours since the article was taken off the main page, so it's a bit late to go back. That is something to note for next time, though. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:09, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry. Maybe put back in the DYK queue and suspend this AFD? Charliestalnaker (talk) 20:25, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Charliestalnaker: Not a problem, I know you were trying to do what's best. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 21:30, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Significant coverage of this person in reliable sources has been found. Dream Focus 12:04, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Not many TikTok "stars" make it to NPR or even... MIT studies. On top of that, she is now whether anyone likes it or not a professional songwriter (ASCAP is a performing rights organization that makes sure people get paid from airplay and what not). That's notable enough for me. Trillfendi (talk) 15:04, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Temporary Keep, Withdraw AFD, I am the AFD nominator. I did not know that it would cause problems as a DYK. So sorry. Charliestalnaker (talk) 20:25, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No worries at all! I really appreciate your trying to help, but unfortunately, an AfD nomination can only be withdrawn if there are no !votes to delete. Because KidAd !voted to delete, the nomination has to run until an uninvolved editor closes it. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 21:26, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't worry about it. It looks like we're headed to a keep close anyway, and we may put it back on DYK when this is over. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 21:28, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:HEY, as others have said. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:57, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.