Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erling

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep after rewrite. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 09:41, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Erling

Dicdef. howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 23:45, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete I think this actually a first or Christian name, like "Keith." Still doesn't make it encyclopedic. | Keithlaw 00:08, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
• It is a small village in Germany. Uncle G 02:14, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Relisting. - Mailer Diablo 00:57, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unencyclopedaic given name Keep rewrite Dlyons493 Talk 01:43, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment Could be encyclopedic as a disambiguation page if there were two or more notable Erlings. Would be notable if, as Uncle G notes' it is a village in Germany. I would vote to delete in its current state but would vote keep for an article or stub on the German village or a disambiguation page containing a couple of notable Erlings. Capitalistroadster 05:39, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
• Wikipedia has two Erlings. I made a disambiguation page. So keep I guess. Punkmorten 09:31, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. If it referred to a village in Germany I'd keep it. This just talks about a man's given name. Durova 11:03, 20 November 2005 (UTC) Weak keep then. Durova 16:35, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
  • It does now. Jacqui^★ 14:36, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep (and mark as stub?) - There isn't much consistency on articles with just a given name as the title. (See Andrew, Matthew, Carol). Some are disambig pages (with some content), and some are articles. I think these can be encyclopedic, (giving etymology, place in common names rankings, etc). This example should not be a disambig page (no-one looking for E. Persson or E. Lorentzen is just going to type 'Erling' on its own) but I don't think it should be deleted just because the name is unusual to English-speakers or because the article is very brief. It does after all give a translation. --Squiddy 12:50, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
  • You are conflating an encyclopaedia with a dictionary. The place for etymologies, meanings, pronunciations, and translations of words is a dictionary, not an encyclopaedia. The Andrew article requires heavy cleanup in this regard. As Wikipedia:Disambiguation says, disambiguation articles are not dictionary articles. Disambiguation articles are for cases where multiple articles would otherwise share the same title. For name disambiguation articles, this is because multiple people are commonly known by exactly that name. The most common name disambiguation articles are thus for family names (people often being commonly known solely by their family name — c.f. "Mr Bush"). The name disambigation articles that exist for given names are rarer, because far fewer people (mainly historical figures) are commonly known by their given names alone. We do not disambiguate for given names in the cases where the people are not commonly known solely by their given name, because there is no ambiguity in the first place. None of the people in this disambiguation are commonly known solely as "Erling". This article should be about the village in Germany. There is no ambiguity. See Wikipedia:Deletion policy/names and surnames for a full discussion of this. Uncle G 09:45, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, but change from a human name dab to a standard dab and add stuff about Germany. (Actually, I think I will go do that right now, being bold.) Jacqui^★ 14:23, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: there were quite a few Erlings in the English Wikipedia when I went looking, so I added them. Also, I have confirmed that Erling is a town in Germany, but this Google search makes me confused. It appears that Erling might be the home of the Max-Planck Institute for Ornithology, but the Max-Planck article says that school is located somewhere else. At least, I've proven it exists. Jacqui^★ 14:38, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Erling is also a place in China, which I have also added to the page. Jacqui^★ 16:29, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Thanks. Punkmorten 15:55, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Well done to Jacqui for the rewrite. Capitalistroadster 17:15, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
• BTW, our article on the Max-Planck-Gesellschaft states that Ornithology Institute is in a place called Andechs und Randolfsen. BTW, we don't currently have a German Wikipedians board on Wikipedia. I understand that there might be a place on the German Wikipedia where one can leave messages in English. Alternatively, it might be possible to see if a German speaker can see if the German Wikipedia has an article on it and translate it to the English wikipedia. Capitalistroadster 17:25, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
  • The German article confirms Andechs and Randolfsen. Durova 19:18, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
    • It seems that perhaps Erling could be considered a suburb of Andechs, or vice-versa. [1] They are close together. (Adding this link to the page) Jacqui^★ 16:24, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Wait wait! I've finally figured it out. Andechs und Randolfsen means that there is more than one place for it ("und" is "and"). Then I went to the Andechs page and found out that Erling is nearby. Finally, I found this link that explains everything: apparently Andechs and Erling are rather thought of as the same place, there is a Randolsen as well, and there's a third location for the Max-Planck-Gesellschaft Ornithology research, in Seeweissen. (Don't ask me why I didn't look at the Max Planck homepage to begin with....) Jacqui^★ 16:47, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.