Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erica Roby

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The result was no consensus. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:52, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Erica Roby[edit]

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This is a non-notable actress with no significant coverage to be found. She was only in mockbusters made by the Asylum and all sources currently listed here are sources from the Asylum website and IMDb pages. edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 03:41, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Well... if we can prove notability for the films and show that she played major enough roles, that would be enough to assert notability even if she was only in Asylum films. That said, sourcing Asylum articles can be difficult since they either get a ton of coverage or none. I'll see what I can find. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:54, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Here's a rundown of the films:

Hillside Cannibals barely passes NFILM. Roby is one of the first billed on IMDb.
The Exorcism doesn't seem to pass, but she's the central actress and named in the sole review I could find.
Bram Stoker's Dracula's Curse looks like it may pass, but Roby is not one of the top billed performers.
Apocalypse doesn't seem to pass NFILM, Roby is mildly high up on the billing list. (Apocalypse article could redirect to the Asylum article, where it's mentioned.)
The 9/11 Commission Report fails NFILM and Roby's role appears to be very minor. This article was redirected to its director, Leigh Scott.
Halloween Night barely passes NFILM and her role is fairly high on the billing.
The Hitchhiker looks like it would pass, but Roby's role is fairly low on the billing, suggesting that it is fairly minor.
Invasion of the Pod People passes and I was surprised to find a mention in an academic text. Roby's role is central here.

The basic gist here is that she's been a major star in two Asylum films, with the remaining seven roles being supporting. Of the supporting roles, five of these are either extremely minor (meaning not within the first 5-10 people billed in the film) and/or the movie does not appear to pass notability guidelines. The remaining film, Halloween Night, has her relatively high up enough on the billing to suggest that it'd likely be a role that could contribute notability and the film barely passes NFILM. If this role was the only one I'd use to establish notability this would be a delete on my end, however she's had major roles in two films that received some coverage in RS and while one of the films doesn't pass NFILM, the fact that she received coverage does count towards notability to a certain degree. This isn't a strong keep for me and I won't be particularly upset if it gets deleted. (If deleted, it should redirect to Invasion of the Pod People, which appears to be her best known role.) However there's just enough here for her to weakly pass NACTOR as it currently stands. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:59, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 14:09, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I see your point. But let me ask you a question: Have you ever heard of the phrase "NOTABILITY IS NOT INHERITED"?edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 18:46, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am sure Tokyogirl is is very familiar with the phrase. However WP:NACTOR invites us to consider whether a subject "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films" and it seems to me that is precisely what Tokyogirl has been doing with great care. If you have an alternative careful analysis, please present it. Thincat (talk) 21:26, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and draft & userfy instead as the article is still questionable for the applicable notability. SwisterTwister talk 21:28, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment three new references have been added by Tokyogirl Atlantic306 (talk) 04:18, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment and they're all only passing mentions. edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 20:53, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:41, 12 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:53, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As per WP:ARTIST notability guideline, an artist may be notable if the person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. As documented by the current version of the article, Erica has played a major role in co-creating Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew, Denise Richards: It's Complicated and the thirteenth season of The Amazing Race (associate producer). Further, Erica has produced Shipwreck Men and Hell's Kitchen too.[1] All of these works are creditably notable. Additionally, as per WP:ENTERTAINER notability guideline, an artist may be notable if the person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. As documented by the current version of the article, Erica has played significant lead roles in Exorcism: The Possession of Gail Bowers and Invasion of the Pod People. Both these works are also notable, being featured on Wikipedia. These are person-specific notability guidelines and do not require GNG to be immediately obtained for the person to be deemed possibly notable. Erica Roby easily passes both the guidelines mentioned by me. Thanks. Xender Lourdes (talk) 04:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:45, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:39, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete two leading roles and a variety of bit parts really isn't a significant body of work as I understand it. This person is a minor figure. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:04, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Philafrenzy. You mention a significant body of work as being required for notability. But WP:ARTIST does not mention a significant body of work for possible notability. WP:ARTIST's exact words are, an artist may be notable if the person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work... That guideline seems to be referring to even one single work rather than a body of work as you are referring to. Erica has contributed two leading roles and not just a single one. Also, maybe you missed it, Erica has co-created Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew, Denise Richards: It's Complicated and the thirteenth season of The Amazing Race (associate producer); and has produced Shipwreck Men and Hell's Kitchen too. This is simply much more than the single a significant work requirement of the notability guideline. This again seems to be passing on the artist notability guideline. Am I wrong in assuming so? Do please help in clarifying. Xender Lourdes (talk) 18:26, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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