Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erand Hoxha (2nd nomination)

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The result was no consensus \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 00:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Erand Hoxha[edit]

Previously bundled nom here - renominated to get clearer consensus on single article. The article is regarding a footballer who fails WP:ATHLETE as there is no evidence to prove the Albanian Superliga is fully-professional, failing WP:V. Also fails WP:N due to any references asserting notability. --Jimbo^[online] 08:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:ATHLETE failure. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 08:26, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Probable Keep - club played in the UEFA Cup in 07/08 and the Intertoto Cup in 08/09, both major European competitions. This would be at the top level in the game really - certainly there will be a lot more athletes with clubs with less notable achievements. I'd like to see some citation to show he played in games in these competitions mind -- Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment, wouldn't the top level be the group stage/finals rather than the preliminary/qualifying rounds? --Jimbo^[online] 11:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'd say that UEFA Cup in particular is notable in itself before the group stage. That strikes me as above the top level nationally for example which is what you'd look for for notability -- Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Playing in Europe really isn't enough to warrant an article - players from micronations such as Andorra, San Marino and the Faroes get to play in the UEFA cup qualifying rounds. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 11:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:N; playing in the early stages of UEFA Cup is irrelevant, since it is quite far from being a top level in its qualifying rounds, and can be considered a high-profile tournament only from the group stage and, in some extent, the first round; same for Intertoto Cup, which was merely a tournament wit the only aim to give access to the UEFA Cup early round (or even just qualifying round, as in its final season). --Angelo (talk) 11:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Giant Snowman 12:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom; fails WP:ATHLETE. Giant Snowman 12:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep has played in European competitions and the top-level in Albania. Again I have added info to this article. Eldumpo (talk) 08:52, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment playing "top-level" doesn't make someone notable, as it has to be fully-pro by the criteria set. Playing Intertoto against other semi-pro teams doesn't pass WP:ATHLETE. --Jimbo^[online] 08:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment or at the highest level of the amateur game of course. I think there's an argument that UEFA Cup is at or around that level. Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment the UEFA Cup isn't amateur, amateur means players aren't paid. Anyway, this footballer in question hasn't played in the UEFA Cup. --Jimbo^[online] 09:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Eldumo. Nfitz (talk) 04:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- A rationale which, it has been pointed out, is flawed because it still fails to meet the guidelines (WP:ATHLETE)? пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 08:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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