Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Envy & Other Sins

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The result was keep‎. I see the consensus here as against Deletion of these articles but that editors are open to Redirection or Merger of some of these pages if the nominator or another editor would like to pursue those options. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:35, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Envy & Other Sins[edit]

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Band and associated articles do not appear to be notable. Couldn't find any coverage beyond the NME article sourced in the band's article. Only one single charted, but it was only in the bottom half of the chart for one week. Could merge/redirect what little is here to Orange unsignedAct, though the notability of that series is also questionable. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 17:26, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Albums and songs, and England. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 17:26, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep WP:BAND#2 applies as WP:CHART is top 100 and they hit #65. Band#5 doesn't apply as they only had one major label album.

I was almost at delete because I did a series of searches and can't find anything other than the NME article. It could be this content could be merged into one of the other band articles for Jim Macaulay the drummer, but only The Stranglers mentions him and he was a replacement drummer which means he's not really fundamental to their history. So this article is the place, and they squeak through with that charted single. Oblivy (talk) 02:39, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Again, it appeared on a weekly chart for just one week, and not particularly high. Just because it placed on a chart at all doesn't necessarily mean it passes. And even then, that's one song that charted, not the album. It could be a keep for the song (though I still disagree with that) but that doesn't necessarily transfer to the album or band. Remember that notability is not inherited. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 03:07, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I did not make a WP:Inherited argument. If an article satisfies a notability criterion, it satisfies it. There's no time-on-the-chart requirement in WP:BAND. Oblivy (talk) 05:10, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, looking again I see you've nominated everything relating to this band in one fell swoop. The single does apply to the band, per WP:BAND#2. The album, fair enough, although it's more an argument for merging the album article into the band's page than outright deletion.Oblivy (talk) 05:13, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Here's some press from reliable sources about the band themselves: Gigwise Drowned in Sound The Line of Best Fit Channel 4 Hit40UK The Mag Yorkshire Evening Post Birmingham Mail God Is in the TV The Guardian Clash BBC

About the album: Drowned in Sound Gigwise Yahoo! Music Belfast Telegraph NME

And about the single: DIY Digital Spy NME Stuff

I'll admit that none of the articles is in a particularly good state, and I was probably more than a little overzealous when I created the "Songs recorded by" list, so that one can probably be redirected. But, personally, I think these articles' problems are not insurmountable and that the band meets the WP:GNG. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 09:24, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the band article and merge or redirect the other articles to the band article. The Drowned in Sound review, Yorkshire Evening Post, Birmingham Mail, Belfast Telegraph and paragraph from The Guardian are enough for WP:GNG of the band in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:57, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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