Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Empirical Musicology Review

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to The Ohio State University Libraries. Seems like consensus here is that the topic does not meet Wikipedia's particular definition of notability. Since a redirect target has been offered and the possibility stated to copy some material over, with no disagreement, redirect it is per WP:ATD. If someone wants to retarget the redirect or get rid of it anyway, WP:RFD is thereaway. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:26, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Empirical Musicology Review[edit]

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Article PRODded with reason "Non-notable journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG." Article dePRODded with reason "The page should not be deleted as the journal is impactful for the field of Computational Musicology and is hosted by an R1 research institution in the USA." There is no evidence of impact and being hosted by an institution, no matter how reputed, is no grounds for notability. PROD reason still stands, hence: delete. Randykitty (talk) 15:35, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academic journals-related deletion discussions. Randykitty (talk) 15:35, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 16:04, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I turned up a few mentions of the journal: [1][2][3][4]. No judgment as yet. XOR'easter (talk) 17:02, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I saw these, but none of it goes beyond an in-passing mention. --Randykitty (talk) 17:13, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, nothing I've found goes into depth or substance. I'd suggest redirecting to the publisher, but we don't seem to have an article on them. XOR'easter (talk) 19:13, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – I noticed that about a dozen WP articles cite it. Having an article about the journal will allow readers to assess its value. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:46, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Since when are citations in WP a criterium for notability? I could start publishing a journal, insert citations in some articles, and presto, my journal is notable?? Please provide a policy-based argument. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 05:31, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Randykitty: You could start publishing a journal, insert citations in some articles, and without an article on the journal, readers would have no way of assessing the quality of that journal. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:57, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And without any reliable sources or indexing in any selective database, all you would have to write an article about this hypothetical journal would be the information that the publisher puts online (unless you'd engage in some serious OR, of course). You seem to be arguing that any academic journal should be regarded as notable, a notion that has been rejected in AfD upon AfD. --Randykitty (talk) 09:56, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:NJOURNALS. Creating The Ohio State University Libraries and merging there would be ideal, however. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:25, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Huh. We have an article for the Billy Ireland Cartoon Library & Museum, which is affiliated with the OSU library system, but not the OSU library system itself. There are oodles of other articles about OSU (see {{Ohio State University}}), so there may be another redirect/merge target already about. XOR'easter (talk) 16:02, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to somewhere in the voluminous Category:Ohio State University or Category:Musicology, if a reasonable target can be found, and include a sentence or two there. Having a brief description of a journal that Wikipedia articles use as a reference would be helpful for readers, but that description doesn't have to be a stand-alone article. I think the mentions tallied above are substantial enough to warrant a, well, mention, but not enough for an entire article. XOR'easter (talk) 16:02, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I see that The Ohio State University Libraries exists now (thanks @Headbomb!). That would be a fine redirect target. XOR'easter (talk) 17:35, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.