Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elyor Karimov

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The result was keep. Bishonen | talk 20:42, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Elyor Karimov[edit]

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Non-notable academic. I'm unable to find substantial coverage in reliable sources as required to meet WP:BIO, nor any coverage to show that WP:PROF can be met. SmartSE (talk) 15:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If no reliable third-party sources can be found, this article can go.TH1980 (talk) 00:03, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:13, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Comment~~ Delete. No possibility of passing WP:Prof. Can WP:Music help? Xxanthippe (talk) 02:21, 3 April 2017 (UTC).[reply]
Keep. Applies WP:Prof n. 3: fellow status in Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, which is a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor. Also, the Woodrow Wilson website says that he is a former chair of Uzbek Academy of Sciences, which makes him notable by n. 5. --Lingveno (talk) 12:15, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note although we are still waiting for disclosures Lingveno is a paid editor, and was presumably paid to create this article.

Regarding PROF the Wilson Centre list him as a "Former Short-Term Scholar", not an elected fellow. I also fail to understand how that verifies that he was the chair of the Uzbek Academy of Sciences, which would be a pretty strange position for a historian. SmartSE (talk) 15:21, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi SmartSE and I would like to remind you that we all do assume good faith. I have been born in Uzbekistan and I write article about it time to time. I tag my contributions once those are the paid once and I assure you that I have not been payed in order to write this article though have written it as assumed that he is notable. --Lingveno (talk) 17:55, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well the article content certainly has several hallmarks of paid editing regardless. Can you refute my points though? SmartSE (talk) 12:55, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - I find that significant scholars in UN research arms are likely to have "had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline" (PROF 1) ~~and being a Fellow of the Academy of Sciences of Uzbekistan seems to pass Prof 3~~. Smmurphy^(Talk) 18:38, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Smmurphy We need reliable sources that demonstrate a significant impact, not you own opinion as to what is likely. Likewise to pass prof 3 we'd need evidence that he has an elected position. SmartSE (talk) 12:55, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Smartse here (although I have not yet formulated an opinion on Karimov's notability). Likelihood of impact is not evidence of impact, and working for an academy is not being honored by election to an academy. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:37, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I see that he isn't clearly a fellow (or academician, as they seem to call it), and have stricken that point. I do think that if someone is likely to have a significant impact in a discipline and is located in a non-English speaking country and works on a subject which isn't of primary interest to an English speaking audience, then it is not a simple matter to say that they have or have not actually had significant impact. I don't know how to search Uzbekistani government, archeological/historical, and news sources online, so I can't comment on actual impact. In particular, many aspects of his role at the Academy of Sciences of Uzbekistan and at UNESCO pass V and suggest national and international impact. I don't think OR is a big problem here, although the last two paragraphs in the article should probably be cut. I understand NPOV is an issue, as the page is overtly POVE/promotional of the subject's career, but a NPOV version of the page could exist, I think, especially given the national- and international-level work he has done. Of course, this is just my opinion - consensus of the opinions of editors is what we are after, I think. If you think opinions are not what is needed, feel free to ignore mine. Smmurphy^(Talk) 19:22, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- possible pass under WP:AUTHOR; Worldcat lists 6 publications: Identities. The holdings are not high, but this could be the case of them being in a foreign languages (Uzbek and Russian). K.e.coffman (talk) 20:59, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades^Godric 04:29, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- Head of an institute sounds like the equivalent of a European professor, who would certainly be notable. He also has a substantial body of published work. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:27, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The Institute of History of The Academy of Sciences of The Republic of Uzbekistan lists him at the Department of Medieval History as "Leader Research Fellow", not as Head of Department, as stated in the article. The Department Head is Azimkhuja Atakhodjaev. 84.73.134.206 (talk) 14:36, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, for following reasons: 1) Applies WP:Prof n. fellow status in Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars (major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor). Also, the Woodrow Wilson website says that he is a former chair of Uzbek Academy of Sciences 2) Scholars in UN research arms are likely to have "had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline" (PROF 1). 3) possible pass under WP:AUTHOR; Worldcat lists 6 publications: Identities. The holdings are not high, but this could be the case of them being in a foreign languages (Uzbek and Russian) 4) He is the head of an institute sounds like the equivalent of a European professor, who would certainly be notable. 5) He also has a substantial body of published work. Dean Esmay (talk) 00:01, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. None of the claims above satisfy WP:Prof. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:28, 15 April 2017 (UTC).[reply]
Keep. Notability is obvious with or without the notability guidelines. Passes under both WP:NACADEMIC and WP:AUTHOR. Search for his name at Google scholar to see sources that either attest to his contributions or verify the seniority of his positions. Zero^talk 03:04, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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