Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elizabeth Yake

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The result was keep. Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:45, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Elizabeth Yake[edit]

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Struggling to find enough independent in-depth coverage in reliable sources - lack of WP:SIGCOV. Producers are rarely notable, and all the films she has worked on look barely notable. Edwardx (talk) 12:15, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable film producer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:39, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Getting a nomination at a top-level national film or television award, like the Genie Awards or the Gemini Awards, is a valid notability claim for a film/TV producer (it's basically the most solid notability claim that a producer can make, in fact), and she indeed has one or more nominations at each of the Genies and the Geminis — no, at the Oscar/Emmy/BAFTA/CSA level a win is not necessary, but rather a mere nomination is entirely sufficient. And while it's true that this article isn't well-referenced as written, a ProQuest search does bring up 74 hits for her — not all of those are going to be useful, because some of them are just namechecks of her existence in lists of television award juries, but enough of them are solid. The issue here is not that SIGCOV doesn't exist — it's that the biggest chunk of SIGCOV happened around 2005 when she had a film up for Best Picture at the Genies, and so would not be expected to turn up in a simple Google search (Google is not good at locating media coverage that's more than a year or two old). But it does exist, and I'm in the process of adding it to the article right now. Bearcat (talk) 16:46, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Sorry, but looking at the most significant movie she has a production credit for, It's All Gone Pete Tong, she was one of 12 producers, and is listed as "producer: Canada", presumably just a producer for the part of the film shot in Canada. Big stretch to call it "her" film. Edwardx (talk) 19:10, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but that's not how film works. The fact is that a Best Picture nomination (and award if it wins) at the Oscars or the BAFTAs or the CSAs goes only to the person or people whose credit is just "producer" without "associate", "executive" or "line" in front of it. Associate and line producers are junior figures who assist in the production process, but are not the main leaders of it, and executive producer is an honorary credit usually given to the film's funders, not an indication that the person actually did any work. So who a film's producers are, for the purposes of an award nomination or an encyclopedic notability claim, is determined by who has the title "producer" without executive or line or associate modifiers. At the level of who is considered a film's producer for the sake of an award nomination that goes to producers, and therefore toward the wikinotability of said producers, the film had only three producers: Allan Niblo, James Richardson, and Elizabeth Yake.
At any rate, the bottom line is that the Genie Awards included her name as one of the three nominees — and the bottom line is that every single person whose name appears in Canadian Screen Award for Best Motion Picture at all is automatically a valid article topic by virtue of that nomination itself. Being named in that list means they qualify to have an article, period, because being a nominee for a major film award is a notability claim that gets a filmmaker into Wikipedia right on its face — we're not actually there yet, I grant, but every single name in that list has to eventually become a blue link without exception. And even if you still disagree, I've already sourced her well enough to pass WP:GNG regardless. Bearcat (talk) 20:49, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I was not aware of this SNG for the producers of Canadian Screen Award for Best Motion Picture nominees, and am unable to find it. I'm willing to AGF on the all offline references, but is there nothing available online? Edwardx (talk) 21:24, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia does not have a requirement that references be online. As long as they're reliable sources, we don't care whether they came from a Google search or a news retrieval database like ProQuest or a microfilm or an archived print copy. Bearcat (talk) 21:32, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per meeting WP:BIO per numerous awards and nominations notable to Canada. WP:CREATIVE applies to such. [1] Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 04:39, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm concerned about the article's accuracy. It says she was nominated or won various film awards but she is a producer. Was she the producer on films that won awards or did she win the awards? I don't think this is a minor difference. I have no objection to saying "She produced XYZ which won.." but being one of the producers of a project and winning an award oneself are not the same. I think it's an issue of advertisement and promotion. And these assertions need citations. FloridaArmy (talk) 12:44, 16 January 2018 (UTC)↓[reply]

"Was she the producer on films that won awards or did she win the awards?" When a film wins an award, such as "Best Picture" at the Oscars or the Canadian Screen Awards or a film festival, would you like to guess who the award's recipient is? The film's producer(s). So it's not a question of "or" — it's impossible for either half of that sentence to be true independently of the other in an either/or scenario, because they both mean exactly the same thing and are entirely inseparable from each other. Bearcat (talk) 02:21, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Bearcat and a news search, the coverage is weak but I believe there's enough there to write a decent encyclopedia article, not least on her contributions to the production of notable films. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:28, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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