Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elisa Jordana (5th nomination)

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:23, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I considered creating a redirect after article deletion but found that Elisa Jordana is only mentioned once on Cobra Starship, on a list of members but not in the body of the article explaining her contribution to the musical group. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:26, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Elisa Jordana[edit]

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Vanity page created by a single-purpose account likely related to the subject. Subject has been mentioned (briefly) in one MTV website article, and the rest of the sources are extremely weak - either primary (howardstern.com) or entertainment websites I've never heard of (Classicalite) and none of them demonstrate significant coverage. Previous AfD results were "no consensus" (except for the 1st, which was "redirect") and littered with votes from brand-new accounts and IP addresses. Propose deletion or redirect to Cobra Starship Fred Zepelin (talk) 20:26, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Coverage is all about her "relationship" (if you can call it that) with Andy Dyck. This is about all I can find on her alone [1]. Lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 20:38, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If it's been in AfD FIVE times, the last four taking place since 2017 AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED, I'm not sure what the issue is. SALT and move on. Oaktree b (talk) 20:39, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Women, Radio, Television, Internet, and United States of America. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: It needs some meat on it's proverbial bones, but with the sources it has, it should be fine. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:20, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I must note that the nominator did remove a LOT of the article, going so far as to remove sources from The Connecticut Post (a newspaper based out of Bridgeport, CT), OK! Magazine (an international publication on par with People), and WDFX-TV (an American TV station), but left the TMRZoo and Classicalite (which was complained about) sites. The page has plenty of significant coverage that was removed by OP. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:22, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some context:

The CT Post article did not mention Elisa Jordana. It was an article about Artie Lange, completely unrelated to the topic of this article. So I removed it.

I removed the sentence about Jordana being slated to appear on Vanderpump Rules because she never appeared on Vanderpump Rules. As this was the only source I could see even linking her to that show, I removed the sentence per WP:CRYSTAL, and its associated source. It was non-news and an attempt to link the subject to a notable TV show that she never appeared on.

To say I removed a WDFX-TV source is a real stretch. The actual URL is dead, and if you look at the archived version, it's actually a PR piece distributed by Dendy Media - a place where one can pay to have a story "published", and make it seem like a legitimate story. It isn't. Fred Zepelin (talk) 21:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I did not know that Nexstar dressed PR pieces as news stories.....but it makes sense considering Nexstar. :) Anyway, fair enough. That answers my major concerns. To be honest, I haven't listened to Stern since he left broadcast radio, never watched/listened to Artie Lange, and know nothing about Vanderpump Rules. So that part, I'll take your word for. :) Retracting my !vote. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:28, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Nominator seems to have a vendetta against Elisa, heavily editing her page, removing sections/sources this past week from it, and now trying to have it deleted. The page has already been approved 4 times through this process. The fact that she was in the platinum selling band Cobra Starship (MTV Article on her), did some solo music (Apple Music Profile), was a part of a huge storyline on the The Howard Stern Show for close to 5 years (Featured on The Howard Stern Show's official website), wrote for some big online publications like XOJane (proof) and Marie Claire (proof), starred in a Fuse TV reality TV show (Redemption Song, source), had an appearance in a film like Sharknado 4 (proof), her engagement being widely publicized (source 1) (source 2) (source 3) (source 4), etc. all warrants a legitimate Wikipedia page. LeafK1 (talk) 19:14, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

— LeafK1 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. and I would recommend striking the baseless accusation of vendetta _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:58, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Just my opinion, but this vote comes from an account that appears, based on LeafK1's edits and edit summaries, to have a close connection to the subject. The same account has made this baseless accusation before, against another editor. Fred Zepelin (talk) 21:21, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And, as FZ uncovered, in his note adding the COI tag to the article, the original author of this article is also the creator of a picture used in the article, which also appears on the subject's Facebook page, which raises serious COI issues regarding their votes to Keep at this series of AFDs. Banks Irk (talk) 18:25, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Those things are fine and well, but we need reliable sources talking about them. Of your four sources for the engagement, three we can't use as they aren't reliable sources we recognize and the Toronto Sun is iffy. The imdb link for Sharknado is user-generated content, so not reliable. Howard Stern COULD perhaps be notable, but the show's website would be a primary source, so we can't use it. An Apple Music profile is also not acceptable; you'll want to review here [2] for what we're looking for.

Again, it's not that the person does or doesn't have a vendetta against someone, we need sourcing that talks about it. We have articles on everything from cat memes to the death camps during WW2; with proper sourcing (as explained above), just about anything can have an article here. Oaktree b (talk) 21:30, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And not having made American edits is moot, we edit anything and everything here; I've created articles on bridges in the Czech Republic to fashion influencers in South Korea, all from the comfort of my home in Canada. Oaktree b (talk) 21:32, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and Salt Once unreliable sources are excluded, and once misrepresented sources that do not even mention the subject are removed, this subject does not meet WP:GNG, let alone WP:ENT. The suggestion above of a redirect might be plausible under WP:BANDMEMBER, except there do not even appear to be reliable sources supporting the band membership. Banks Irk (talk) 12:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment here's proof in a reliable source that she was a member of Cobra Starship here so she at least qualifies for a redirect, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:44, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

-Per WP:ALLMUSIC, it is of questionable reliability on biographical information and other sources should be used instead. Banks Irk (talk) 13:40, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Per above, although I think it is eligible for redirect as there's a Allmusic bio source. dxneo (talk) 12:45, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. SPA-created vanity or fanpage. 128.252.210.1 (talk) 22:25, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. 5th nomination!? Guess there's no double jeopardy here. More so it's like a hung jury over and over again. That it was created by an editor where these are here only edits, that looks fishy to me. MaskedSinger (talk) 11:42, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If the prior closures had discounted all the "Keeps" from sockpuppets and SPAs, it wouldn't have taken 5 AFDs. Banks Irk (talk) 14:09, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well said. What happened to these socks and SPAs? Did we block them all? MaskedSinger (talk) 14:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
LeafK1 showed up here in this deletion discussion, but I guess they lost the passwords for the other accounts. Fred Zepelin (talk) 21:46, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject plainly does not meet the GNG due to a lack of reliable RS. I'd also recommend a SALT. Let'srun (talk) 02:40, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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