Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elie Charbel Lelo Sejean

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The result was keep. Fenix down (talk) 18:54, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Elie Charbel Lelo Sejean[edit]

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Article fails WP:NFOOTBALL, subject has not played at a professional level either in Australia or Paraguay. Also fails WP:GNG. Whilst long, the article contains a whole lot of nothing. Many of the references are dead and those that aren't do not meet notability. Subject is nothing but a curiosity due to the unusual nature of an relatively unknown Australian amateur association footballer playing in Paraguay. Simione001 (talk) 01:32, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It has the longest participation as an Australian not only in PY but on the continent rojodiablcerrocerrocerro (talk) 30 November 2021

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Simione001 (talk) 01:36, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Simione001 (talk) 01:36, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 01:36, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Paraguay-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 01:37, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep "links are dead" is not a valid reason for deletion, I have added archive links for almost all the sources. The level of coverage in sources such as [1], [2], [3] are way more than just routine coverage, and as such, he passes WP:GNG, which is more important than WP:NFOOTY. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:53, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - references provided by Joseph are enough for GNG Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - article is a real mess, but based on sources found by Joseph, probably notable on GNG. Giant Snowman 10:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep clearly passes GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:29, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep look at the fact:

- It is a player of longest particpation in CONMEBOL from it's nationality and it's country and por ende is an Award - It is a player is Notable in Paraguay and Significant Coverage for 2020 and 2021 - It is a player Important and Notable to the History of Football in Paraguay for the non-CONMEBOL players. .--rojodiablcerrocerrocerro (talk) 30 November 2021

- Comment - In the case this article is kept could somebody assist in moving it to "Lelo Sejean" as per WP:COMMONNAME? Lelo Sejean has been salted. Simione001 (talk) 21:30, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Of new, Look at the fact: - And you arguement is? It can be Lelo Sejean is salted in past Creation of 2020 cause It is a Significant Coverage and Notability Player in PY from 2020 - It's Longest Participation as australian and Oceanian in Paraguay and CONMEBOL of 2020 and forward. is an Award - It is Important and Notable Part of History in Football in Paraguay for the Non-CONMEBOL footballers. and you arguement is? I created it's page in 2020. I see your edit from your account the Australian Futbol then you stick with Australian Futbol and you let me stick with Edit Paraguayan Futbol and Stay Away from Paraguayan Football if you had no arguement or fact OK? rojodiablcerrocerrocerro (talk) 30 November 2021
- Comment - A draft I created for Elie Charbel Lelo Sejean and Marcos Caballero in 2020 cause the two deleted Before 2020 and the two approved In 2020 and Forward. and I created Pages on account of Notability. Of new, look at the fact. Laugh at my works? I see you comments and you deleted them. you provoke? think is a joke?am long service contributer to Football in Paraguay for much years and all of relating to it. and you arguement is? you imbecil. racist. Not interfere any more with Paraguay articles OK? Elie .Charbel Lelo Sejean is for PY and not for Australia rojodiablcerrocerrocerro (talk) 30 November 2021

This is one of the most unpleasant personal attacks I've seen. I suggest that you apologise. I've posted a warning on your talk page. Please read WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 06:57, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Friend I say you I am offended for Simione001 for dis credit my contribution. For 2020 Specifically I Created two Drafts for two Pages on Facts and Notability and not for Incorrect Comments that later deleted from Simione001 for my work and know nothing of Importance of History of Paraguay Football or know nothing about History of Paaguay Football. Simione001 contributes at it? Why he interfere and for mock the works of other long service contributer to Footba in Paraguay?

look at the fact: - It is a player of longest particpation in CONMEBOL from it's nationality and it's country and por ende is an Award - It is a player is Notable in Paraguay and Significant Coverage for 2020 and 2021 - It is a player Important and Notable to the History of Football in Paraguay for the non-CONMEBOL players. Not is for laugh rojodiablcerrocerrocerro (talk) 02 December 2021

Delete. Quite apart from how promotional the article is, the undue, the exaggeration, the need for tnt. The coverage falls short. The Geelong piece is a puff look what this local is doing, indiscriminate. The other two are promo pieces from a site showing no signs of being an independent reliable source. Who are they, who wrote these pieces. This is just an unpaid amateur playing in a foreign country. Nothing special there. duffbeerforme (talk) 04:46, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

es.wikipedia [4]. duffbeerforme (talk) 04:57, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OSE, just because es.wiki deleted it 2 years ago doesn't mean we have to follow. The Spanish Wiki seemed to just base discussion on the levels he'd played at, ignoring the fact that he gets remarkable coverage for someone playing at those levels. And based it on the fact that we'd deleted it in 2010 (at which point he would have had a lot less coverage, as he was a local player in Australi). Joseph2302 (talk) 15:21, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is Precise by Joseph2302 and I return to reiterate is Notable and Significant Coverage for 2020 and Forward. Anterior to 2020 is not my problem. Even, I created a Draft specifically for the Page before creating page. Look at the fact: Is Notable 2020 and Forward. Not 2010. Is Important for History of Football in PY as non CONMEBOL player like is Bryan Lopez, Riki Kitawaki and Kenneth Nkweta Nju for they're antiguity. And Elie Charbel Lelo Sejean it is a player of longest particpation in CONMEBOL from it's nationality and it's country and por ende is an Award.

Your arguement is? rojodiablcerrocerrocerro (talk) 02 December 2021

See also Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lelosejean/Archive and Lélo Léhud Sejean. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:46, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

look at the fact: 1) It is the large participation of it's continent and it's nationality not only in PY but in all of the CONMEBOL futbol 2) Notable and Significant Coverage on 2020 and Forward (2020, 2021, 2022, forward). cause WP:GNG is more than WP:NFOOTY. 2010 not is my problem 3) is a player important to History of Football in Paraguay to be not from the CONMEBOL and be foreigner as Bryan Lopez, Riki Kitawaki and Kenneth Nkweta Nju rojodiablcerrocerrocerro (talk) 05 December 2021

Keep passes WP:GNG based on sources found by Joseph.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:09, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.