Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Electro hop

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The result was delete. ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 17:44, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Electro hop[edit]

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This whole article is pure OR about a non-existent music genre, electro okay, elecctropop or electrorock okay, but there is no electro hop style. The article has been tagged for three years as possible OR, and is actually longer than the actual article on Electro. I can find no independent RS. Obviously the first Google hit is... Wikipedia. CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 16:20, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment as nominator. All of the artists cited as being representative of the genre are either hip-hop artists (Dr. Dre, N.W.A or LA Dream Team) or electro artists (World Class Wreckin' Cru). CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 16:37, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:20, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:OUTCOMES#Music - nearly all new musical genres never catch on. Bearian (talk) 23:54, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - now check the article as I've updated it with what was needed to prevent it coming to this (more reliable sources to be added still) - the revival of electro hop in the 21st century - this was missing for a long time.. you must know surely how huge this genre is right now alongside electropop. There are now Allmusic references added in the 'History' section - so electro hop is a genre if it's in Allmusic.com. What about the many thousands of articles (mostly articles on bands/artists/songs/albums) on Wikipedia that contain the genre of, and the link to "electro hop"? And don't forget the two categories Category:Electro-hop musicians and Category:Electro-hop songs. And Bearian, 'new music genre'?? Read the article first. Hiddenstranger (talk) 20:08, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Adding a load of unsourced rubbish in the interest of updating the article is not going to save it, please address the issues of notability and the issue of whether this genre exists in its own right. Your AllMusic essay states "Some have called that sound electro-hop" (who?) and just after "Electro-hop (or simply electro)". The point I am making is that this is a completely non-notable genre, that barely existed in the minds of a few west coast hipsters or whatever, the artists are either hip-hop or electro. And as to your last point, Wikipedia:Other stuff exists is not a valid argument, shall I create the articles Electro skip and Electro jump and then link to them from as many articles that I can think of, just so they don't get deleted? CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 17:48, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ‑Scottywong | communicate _ 16:35, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

delete unverifiable. for a whole muisical movement surprisingly few reliable sources. Staszek Lem (talk) 21:25, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- In reply to Captain Screebo No, because they have never existed as a notable genre, whereas electro hop has. Tell me why the term "electro hop" has been used in countless articles here on Wikipedia? Search "electro hop" on Google, endless results come your way. You say 'rubbish', do you actually know any of today's music? Did you even read ->[1]?, 'electro hop' is a blend of the two, 'hip hop & electro', that's why such a name came about. And I know you didn't take the time to read this ->[2], that gives insight into the whole genre as a whole, look up Planet Rock by Afrika Bambaataa & the Soulsonic Force. The genre has experienced a new lease of life recently over the past few years therefore one should be instructed on this matter, through this article if ever searched upon. Hiddenstranger (talk)
  - It looks like you are not very familiar with wikipedia world. "electro hop" is "used in countless articles here on Wikipedia" because it is included in the Template:Hip hop, included in countless articles. As for numerous refs in the internet, many of them are infested by wikipedia, and many of them, such as [3] are about something else. The fact stands: the whole huge article is based solely on essays of an Alex V. Henderson, who thinks it was "an interesting footnote". Who else thinks so? Staszek Lem (talk) 02:44, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Listen, don't get all fanboy on me. Who do you think you are to get up on your high horse and assume that I didn't read your articles or that I don't listen to today's music? Planet Rock is electro, Sir-mix-a-lot is electro, the Phar'cyde is hip-hop and so on. I have been listening to electronic music for decades and possess records by Kraftwerk, YMO, Bambaata (yes even Planet Rock), the Freestylerz, Space Djs, Freq Nasty, Dr. Dre, and so on, and receive a monthly CD from Fabric documenting the evolutions of the UK scene, where dubstep, wobble and breaks has transformed into a new scene just known as Bass music, and I have never encountered the term "electro hop" all right ? And apart from your two articles from AllMusic where there are the fleetingest of mentions (where one says "or just call it Electro") there are no reliable sources documenting this genre.
  - What's more, the article has been tagged as possible OR for three years and contains such ~~horseshit~~ classic analysis as "Fusions of R&B with disco-rock started to occur around about the same time Kraftwerk started to use breakbeat emulation in their music, creating electrofunk.", firstly no date (or refs) are given to back up this outlandish statement, and are we to believe that George Clinton and Bootsy Collins stood around waiting for Kraftwerk to put breaks in their songs before inventing electrofunk? The whole article is flawed, original research, electrofunk existed in the 70s while Kraftwerk were still playing with their oscillators and perfecting their bleeps.
  - Finally, I object to such unwarranted tosh being on Wikipedia alongside a concise (for the subject), quality article like Electro (music), which is well referenced (and about half as long). CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 11:33, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Pure OR. The New York Times article cited does not even mention the term. See also Wikipedia:OUTCOMES#Music. Bearian (talk) 17:34, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Bearian. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:53, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete' This is OR. The Electro article provides a summary of the bands and trends that actually follows the sources.--SabreBD (talk) 06:47, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—After checking the links here and in the article, I can't come to any conclusion other than that the article is based on OR and that the entire genre is a creation of one person, a creation that never caught on. We're basically summarizing and republishing Henderson, which is not what we are supposed to do. If the concept had gone mainstream (and been referred to in other sources) then we could have a different argument, but it didn't, so we shouldn't. Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 16:23, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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