Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/El Faro Restaurant

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The result was keep. Opinions are split on this one but the spanish language source and one of the sources provided by king of hearts (the other one doesn't seems to show an article, he may have mistyped the URL) barely push this to the "keep" side. Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:00, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

El Faro Restaurant[edit]

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Non notable restaurant. The Spanish paper linked article is mostly about a documentary on Little Spain in New York, and not on the restaurant itself. Contested PROD. PROD removed citing restaurant's age. Ravendrop (talk) 04:00, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well. Follow the link http://www.lavozdegalicia.es/genteytelevision/2011/02/05/00031296925866719507292.htm Citation: "Mejor suerte corrió el restaurante El Faro, fundado en 1959 en el 823 de la calle Greenwich por el celanovés José Pérez y por su socio Andrés Lugrís. «Todavía somos socios, pero hoy son nuestros hijos, José A. Pérez y Mark Lugrís, quienes dirigen el negocio», explica José Pérez, cuyo testimonio es uno de los más destacados en el documental Little Spain. «Durante la ley seca -recuerda Pérez-, el restaurante era un lugar de bebida clandestina, como muchos en torno a los muelles. Después fue una bodega portuaria, especializada en lo español. La clientela de los años 60 y 70 era variada: en gran parte, de marineros gallegos que trabajaban en barcos americanos, en su mayoría como fogoneros; pero otros eran políticos españoles exiliados. Y luego había clientela americana y artistas de Hollywood, como Marlon Brando, que venía muy a menudo»." And please see the second picture of the article, citation: "UN RESTAURANTE FRECUENTADO POR MARLON BRANDO. Detrás de la barra de El Faro, en una imagen del año 1959, los socios fundadores José Pérez (sirviendo una copa) y Andrés Lugrís. El restaurante tenía una clientela eminentemente española, pero también fue frecuentado por celebridades como Marlon Brando y logró tres estrellas en la crítica gastronómica del «The New York Times»."

It says, among other things, that the restaurant had clients like Marlon Brando in the 50s, and that achieved 3 stars at the New York Times Review.

This NEW reference states context in the landmarks of Little Spain and gives years for the citation. Little Spain and its landmark will be recognized in the WP as an important part of the history of Manhattan. Thanks. --Lolox76 (talk) 08:01, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

La Voz de Galicia is oldest and most important newspaper of Galicia, and the galicians were the best represented Spaniards in Manhattan. --Lolox76 (talk) 08:03, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The restaurant is still not notable. It doesn't matter if Marlon Brando ate there. He surely ate at lots of restaurants all over the world. They are not all notable just because he ate there. It also doesn't matter that it got a good review in the New York Times. The idea of the location being recognized by someone or some newspaper as a landmark in Little Spain has not been established. --Crunch (talk) 14:51, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but with all due respect you cannot read Spanish, because thats all about. Otherwise, why to include in the documentary...?? --Lolox76 (talk) 21:35, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as non-notable restaurant. Carrite (talk) 20:03, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Non-notable. A Google search provides no articles about the restaurant in the first 10 pages (250 hits), almost every hit was a review or directory listing, none of which establish notability. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 05:35, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:24, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:24, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep -I think it is a mistake to delete it, because it is clear that the Spanish restaurant was founded in 1927, it is part of the history of the neightborhood, no matter about the "fame" of the place. Landmarks of New York City, standing in the same place for more than 80 year -keep in mind how fast everthing is transformed in NYC- represents itself an achievement. The historical value of the place is out of doubt. --Lolox76 (talk) 21:32, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Its historical value is not subject to your own interpretation. You need to provide reliable, third party references (above and beyond the spanish article, which has issues, that is in there already) to prove that it is considered historically valuable and noteworthy. Ravendrop (talk) 21:35, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Well, Ravendrop, "above and beyond" of understanding capabilities is dificoult. It is obvious: what I did explain in the paragraph above is not a personal interpretation, is an explanation based on the facts: years of existence, place where it is since its origins, link to the Spanish history of this part of Chelsea-West Village, and why it has a significance, which indicates notability as a landmark. No one is saying that it is a famous restaurant, or the most expensive of Manhattan (probably that could be enough for you as indication of notability), but it is about the history of the restaurant. I don't have personal interest in the matter, but it is a landmark in the history of Little Spain. And the Spanish article does not have issues -unless we consider an issue the fact that probably your Spanish knowledge suffers a lack of lexicon or is structurally poor. Keep in mind the WP rules: this is an article that states notability in terms of historic value of the restaurant, in the context of Little Spain. --Lolox76 (talk) 04:12, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Historical value doesn't matter; it meets WP:GNG. The Spanish-language source is actually quite substantial. And add to it [1] and [2], and you've got significant coverage in reliable sources. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:34, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the coverage identified by King of Hearts which I think is enough to establish notability. Davewild (talk) 10:01, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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