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The result was delete. ✗plicit 11:57, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edinburgh in popular culture[edit]

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Another run-of-the-mill failure of WP:IPC, WP:GNG, WP:NLIST, WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:TRIVIA. Only three references, so most of this is WP:OR. Lead states it wants to be a list "This article lists notable films and books set or with a significant scene in Edinburgh, Scotland, and other aspects of popular culture", and of course the article doesn't even respect its own inclusion criteria - most entries don't explain what, if any, part of the related media are connected to the city, and one of the few which does is arguably not significant ("The Dresden Files novels Turn Coat and Changes, by Jim Butcher, have scenes set in the White Council's stronghold which is hidden within Castle Rock."). The first video game mentioned, Test Drive 5, doesn't even mention the city in our article on the game... etc. This is just another TVTrope-like list of trivia that needs to go, with nothing to merge. My BEFORE query didn't find any SIGCOV on this topic, but if sources do exist, WP:TNT would apply anyway. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:09, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I note Xx236 has now nominated the list in question for deletion. What the relevance of that list to this discussion is not clear. AusLondonder (talk) 03:11, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: This list is another collection of original research and trivia. While there is probably a notable topic here, the list would need to be completely purged and rewritten to become compliant with our policies. Therefore, it should be destroyed and rebuilt. ―Susmuffin Talk 10:38, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    As far I see the destruction. Who will built anything? Xx236 (talk) 11:01, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete if the only arguement to keep is there are other articles with poor sourcing, we have no argument at all. We do not need more trivia, we need sources that cover this not in the context of one work, but in the context of this as a broad topic, which we lack.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Trim by all means, but these articles are split off from the main one following WP:SPLIT, very often with a size issue too, and I deplore the ongoing campaign to pick them off at Afd. The subject is very clearly notable, and a very-quality article could easily be written on it. That this hasn't yet happened is not an argument for deletion. The buffet of policies in the nom does not bear scrutiny. Johnbod (talk) 18:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And Piotyrus, why was this not added to the Scotland list? Johnbod (talk) 18:31, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't realize we had such a list. Added. You could've done it yourself, you know. 5s with Twinkle XfD menu. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't care to clutter up my machine with such stuff. Much better to remind you to do things properly in the first place. Johnbod (talk) 21:40, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You could have done it manually in the time it took you to complain here. AusLondonder (talk) 02:58, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Trivial list. Nothing in the current article that could be usable in any future article on this topic. wp:TNT Cakelot1 (talk) 19:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously??? There are several famous books set in Edinburgh, dealing with the city, on the list. Can I ask, have you ever been to Edinburgh? Do you know anything about literature on Edinburgh? Johnbod (talk) 00:25, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have no doubt a good article could be written about the Edinburgh in literature. This is not that article and I don't think any of the content in this article would be usable in such an article (Hence TNT). This (as with other lists of this sort) is an indiscriminate collection of original research (I am not opposed to an article on Edinburgh in literature be written if properly sourced).
P.S.: I have been to Edinburgh many times but I don't see why going to a place would make somebody more or less likely to vote delete. I've probably visited York more and have no doubt that many books and films have been set there. However, if an article called York in popular culture turned up at AFD in the state that most of these "pop cult" articles are I would support deletion. Cakelot1 (talk) 10:42, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have never heard that to form an opinion about content on a Wikipedia article you need to have visited the city concerned. AusLondonder (talk) 03:08, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:29, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Per WP:TNT and per nom. When an article would need a rewrite to be encyclopedic, it should probably be restarted in the parent article and split off if it becomes too big. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:13, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Unencyclopedic mess of original research and trivia. As stated by others above anything useful about this topic should be rewritten as prose and included in the main article. AusLondonder (talk) 03:00, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - A list of trivia with no sources actually discussing the topic as a whole. Many of the entries are extremely trivial, and most have no context at all, simply being the name of a piece of fiction. The potential of the topic really has no bearing on what is currently included here, which is an unsalvageable list of trivia that would not need to be preserved for any kind of rewrite to occur. Rorshacma (talk) 15:30, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this article lacks any secondary sources, failing WP:V, WP:OR, and WP:NOT. It's possible that there could be a proper article at a modified version of this title, but there is no prose here to WP:PRESERVE, hence deletion. This is probably left over from an era of Wikipedia when editors did not respect the need for sources. Shooterwalker (talk) 23:33, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per User:TenPoundHammer/Wikipedia is not TV Tropes. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 01:24, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I was surprised to see this in some senses as Edinburgh has a very long history of depictions in popular culture. However the article as it stands is just a list and one that is tending towards trivia, if not outright trivia. Thus my view would be that while this could be the subject of an article it would need to be almost totally reworked and changed into something discussing how Edinburgh has been portrayed in popular media rather than a list which could effectively include any book, TV series, film or shortbread tin which has ever depicted or even made a passing mention of the city. Dunarc (talk) 19:19, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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