Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Earl Albert Moore

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The result was delete. j⚛e decker ^talk 00:10, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Earl Albert Moore[edit]

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Fails WP:BLP1E: Subject is known only in the context of a single event which is otherwise not notable. SummerPhD (talk) 12:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:1E. If the bombing attempt is sufficiently notable (which I doubt), then an article about that subject could be created.- Mr X 13:04, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Colorado-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:45, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:45, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as a BLP1E that also fails WP:PERP. RS coverage is the routine arrest, guilty plea and sentence cycle. Unfortunately, planting a pipe bomb is not that unusual a crime. • Gene93k (talk) 15:08, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Not simply because BLP1, although it might consider deleting, but especially in connection to the imitators of the Columbine High School massacre, who want to position themselves (like in this case the anniversary day of one of the most horrific School rampage, Generations of those at the time, who will never forget that day). Quote this: The Columbine Legacy Rampage Shootings as Political Acts

″Columbine influenced subsequent rampage shootings in several ways. First, it provided a paradigm about how to plan and execute a high-profile school rampage shooting that could be imitated. Second, it gave inspiration to subsequent rampage shooters to exact revenge for past wrongs, humiliations, and social isolation. Third, it generated a “record” of carnage that subsequent rampagers sought to exceed. Fourth, Harris and Klebold have attained mythical status in the pantheon of outcast student subcultures. They have been honored and emulated in subsequent rampage shootings and attempts. In all cases, perpetrators either admitted links with Columbine or police found evidence of Columbine influences.″

AND

″Shootings are identified in the table as “imitated” when the perpetrators copied aspects of the Columbine shooting in their own attempts. Imitations were evident in the attacks in Conyers, Georgia; Fort Gibson, Oklahoma; East Greenwich, New York; Red Lake, Minnesota; Hillsborough, North Carolina; and Virginia Tech University. Perhaps the most imitative shooting was by Jeffrey Weise at Red Lake Senior High School in Minnesota. This particular rampage shooting had several copycat earmarks. First, under the names Todesengel and NativeNazi, he posted rants and expressed admiration of Adolf Hitler on neo-Nazi Internet sites (Benson, 2005). Hitler was lionized by Eric Harris on his Trench Coat Mafia Web site. Second, he wore a duster of similar style to those worn by Klebold and Harris (Wilogoren, 2005). Third, prior to shooting a fellow student, Weise asked him if he believed in God. This last act was a reference to one of the myths that emerged from the Columbine shootings that Cassie Bernall was asked whether she believed in God, to which she responded “yes” before she was shot. Although there was no evidence that this confrontation actually occurred, it became an article of faith within the evangelical community and was reported as fact nationwide for several months before it was debunked.″Read the full pdf. You will recognize that it is IN FACT a serious Problem, with People who go rampage. Some succeed, others not. Like in this case of Moore. Or do Attackers first need to kill first for turn the spotlight on them, when they succeeded. I think that also the main reason why first-time murders, get parole, and then becoming Second-Timers. And so often you hear about it, everyone is shocked: My God, how could this happen....?

http://murderpedia.org/male.H/images/harris-eric/the-columbine-legacy.pdf

So, the KEEP-Reason is not motivated, just because One Single Person, had Just one single Act: The reason is the political IMPACT & ASPECT that stands behind. I guess we could even start a List of Imitators Copycats at WP soon. Gary Dee 16:12, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Gary Dee:. From the citation in the article: "Moore told investigators he didn't realize he had placed the device on the Columbine anniversary.". In fact, I'm not finding any RS coverage for Moore's motive or his politics. Even if he was a copycat, that wouldn't automatically make him notable. • Gene93k (talk) 16:55, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Gene93k:. That is something, that probably got messed up in the context. As well i did not say (either guessed) that the fact that articles copycaters AUTOMATICALLY should, could or would be legit to keep it. That would assume, that somewhere out in rural, kids (teens) hearing about (a) robbery of a gasstation next town, they would plan next week a hold-up there as well, and finally would make them elidgible writing an article @ WP, related to their specific crime (lets call it "the snoopy robbers crime spree" or whatsover. Or even worse, about one of the robbers him(it)self. I never noted something like that. But to keep it insight, there is some media attention, about these shootings (and believe it or not, i live in Europe for some decades, Europe has a different view on crime actions, in or through US crime sprees, and as i mentioned, i am US Citizen, i know about what i am talking about). As the world gets smaller and smaller through I-Net and Satellites, GPS and NSA, the more media reports upon such massacres (and in Europe these kind of crimes grow as well here, more & more, just take the recent killing in Brussels)

the more copycaters arise. Definitely Moore is an home grown Terrorist, and was trying to massmurder (although his knowledge about wasnt good, otherwise his attempt would not have failed), and when Feds are involved in this case (as in any other one), the attempted (mass)murder always is a relevant fact and worth being documented. And do not forget: Mr. Moore got sentenced to life WITHOUT the possibility of Parole: Reference

Judge Kane, who thoroughly chastised Moore during the hearing, explained that the harsh sentence was necessary to protect the public and deliver a message to potential future offenders. “It didn’t require Sherlock Holmes to catch you. You were on film the whole time. It was an utterly thoughtless thing to do,” Kane said to Moore. “This is a serious problem, and we’re not going to tolerate it. That needs to be loud and clear.”.....Kane made full use of the hearing to deliver a message to a national population whose average age is on the rise: Age will not factor into leniency for senior citizens convicted of crimes. Exactly that is the reason for keep. If a Judge pronounces such hard words in court (in connection with the harsh sentence), there is no need, that Wikipedia should close its eyes, classifying a man, who was about to kill dozens or hundreds (Oklahoma...?), there is a must to keep such People documented and focused on, and especially at WP !

This also is for a clear view of Terrorists (and Moore is definitely a Terrorist), that is why he is homegrown. And if FBI, ATF, USMS and other other LE agencies cooperate, this attempted terroract, is not simply a little fish, about crimes that happen every day, every hour and every minute just around every one. Gary Dee 17:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Gary, you keep talking about how it must be important if feds are involved. As someone who has spent most of his adult life in law enforcement, I can tell you that's absolutely false. Most often, they are task force members. Local, state and federal agencies commit manpower to these task forces and then it is paid for by federal funds. This gives the locals access to more funding and more equipment, while giving the feds more numbers to justify their existence. I can't tell you how many times I've been involved in task forces that had fed members doing street level drug bust or rounding up fugitives. If you have a warrant in Kansas and flee to Iowa, you just committed the federal crime of interstate flight to avoid prosecution. That means the local task force with the US Marshals will probably go look for you. Does that make you extra notable, dangerous or less of a small fish? Nope. Niteshift36 (talk) 18:55, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Classic BLP1E Niteshift36 (talk) 17:31, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:BLP1E. EricSerge (talk) 21:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is the classic case of one event. He made a device that injured no one, I fail to see how that makes him notable. If it absolutely must be kept, we need to tone down the bias in claims like he would kill "doxens of innocents". That is inflamatory language meant to malign the subject.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:25, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom., Niteshift36 and above. --Bejnar (talk) 21:21, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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