Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ESPN Sunday Night Football results (1987–2005)

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The result was no consensus. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:14, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

ESPN Sunday Night Football results (1987–2005)[edit]

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Fails WP:NOT#STATS and WP:NOT#INFO, similar lists has been deleted in the past and nothing changed consensus wise. Prod removed with no rationale Delete Secret ^account 03:44, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me What did he do now? 03:55, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep list articles are valid articles even though they largely contain "info" and "statistics" -- see argumentation at Wikipedia:Discriminate vs indiscriminate information--the list is discriminate and focused and is not confusing to the reader. WP:NOT#STATS and WP:NOT#INFO link to the same argument so that's really just one argument not two. Further, we normally keep well-prepared list of television episodes such as List of The Ren & Stimpy Show episodes and the many, many more just like it.--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:55, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Aside from being unreferenced, it's utterly useless. Wizardman 02:17, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment there is no question that the references can be found and added. That is an editing issue, not a deletion issue. As for WP:USELESS, that argument is specifically listed as one to avoid in deletion discussion--specifically because there is no clarification why it is useful or useless. But even then--"useful" is not the measure we use, "notabaility" is.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:26, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per Paulmcdonald. I'm going to have to vote keep on this one. We already have List of Monday Night Football results (1970–1989), List of Monday Night Football results (1990–2009), List of Monday Night Football results (2010–present), and NBC Sunday Night Football results (2006–present). If we're going to retain all of those articles, it would look strange to have only the Sunday night results between 1987 and 2005 not be listed. Ejgreen77 (talk) 06:34, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

While I don't inherently object to the concept of having this article, I do object to the strange grouping of years. I am not entirely sure that this is notable, but it seems to fail the guideline that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and as such, admittedly weakly, I would support ~~deletion or merging~~. Go Phightins! 00:08, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The grouping of years is not strange at all. ESPN aired games on Sunday nights from 1987 until 2005, therefore that's what is included in the list. I suppose merging it to create one list of all nationally televised Sunday Night NFL games would be acceptable; otherwise I vote to keep per Paulmcdonald's comments above. Highway99 (talk) 02:34, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the clarification on the year grouping, however I still do not understand the cutoff at 2005. Nevertheless, I just fail to see how this is not a situation in which WP:INDISCRIMINATE applies. Go Phightins! 03:14, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

NBC took over Sunday Night Football in '06, hence, NBC Sunday Night Football results (2006–present). Ejgreen77 (talk) 21:53, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, OK; not sure why that didn't occur to me. Withdrawing my objection. Am now neutral.

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero | My Talk 06:53, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The games are notable, the network and timeslot combo not so much. Monday night football is the exception to the rule. I'd also delete NBC Sunday nights for the same reason. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:25, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Yeah, it's a little crufty, but I think the periodization makes sense and this was a marquee football telecast — akin to a TV series in viewership and cultural impact. Bottom line: the encyclopedia is better off with this rather than without it. Carrite (talk) 07:09, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Northamerica1000^(talk) 19:56, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per User:Secret - none of these games have any extra meaning or importance, pointless list. Gloss • talk 21:41, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.