Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dorian Tyrell (3nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to The Mask (film). Narrow consensus is to delete, but several advocate a merger, and a redirect is at any rate useful. Relevant and sourced material, if any, can be merged from the history to the extent editorial consensus allows. Sandstein 08:43, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dorian Tyrell[edit]

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The only appearance of this character is in The Mask (film). This article is basically a plot summary of that movie, written from the subject's perspective. The non-fiction info is unsourced. theFace 17:04, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep/merge The character is notable, being described in sources such as The Supervillain Book. How we divide this material amongst our Mask-related articles is not a matter of deletion. Warden (talk) 17:26, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Google books search gives 7 results, but provides no page scans, so I can't tell what they say. A news search gives 8 articles, but none of them are actually about Dorian Tyrell. They are about The Mask (film), summarizing its plot and stating Tyrell's name along the way. I suspect that the books found by Google mention Tyrell in the same incidental fashion. Cheers, theFace 18:29, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 20:40, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 20:41, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or redirect not enough notability outside of the movie. Article is mainly WP:PLOT with no sources about the character's real world significance. The only sources that mention this character just give a plot synopsis with no coverage "directly in detail" about the character (see WP:GNG). See also writing about fiction. Nothing significant to say here that isn't already covered in the main plot in the main article. Gillicutties (talk) 19:01, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There is no evidence that the fictional character meets the general notability guideline as no reliable secondary source addresses the character describing his reception and impact. All that shows up with a quick search engine test are tertiary sources or unreliable sources, but no single source that addresses the character in detail giving analytic or evaluative claims. Without this, there is nothing to presume that the article can be anything other than a plot-only description of a fictional work, material unsuitable for Wikipedia. References used in the article aren't even for the fictional character but for the movie The Mask. As the fictional character has no notability outside of the plot of the movie, I believe that the article should be deleted. Jfgslo (talk) 14:30, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge any relevant info to The Mask and then Redirect I have contributed quite a bit to this article in the past but I have unable to garner any further secondary sources and it seems no one else has either. Any information of value that can be used for The Mask article then hopefully that can be done and both Niko and Dorian Tyrell articles should be redirected to The Mask. --Auger Martel (talk) 22:26, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back! :-) I've got a question: years ago, during this major overhaul, you inserted a paragraph about an early draft of one episode of the Mask cartoon. Do you happen to remember where you got that information from? I have merged the section into The Mask: The Animated Series#Overview. If this articles passes the AfD, I will revert that if you want to. Dorian Tyrell also contains stuff (again unsourced) about an alternative ending of the 1994 movie. I could merge that into The Mask (film), but I'm not sure how, as the article has no Production section. Cheers, theFace 10:45, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. Actually, that section was originally inserted by the user Jienum on the Niko article. I believe the original edit for that is here. I added it to the Dorian Tyrell article and attempted to find a reliable source and my particular edit by myself was re-inserting information that had been removed for no reason. That section is one which I have been unable to find any information at all. I have drifted away from both articles for a while now, so unless someone can unearth some reference for that, or if Jienum can clarify, it probably should be removed altogether. Sorry for any trouble. Cheers --Auger Martel (talk) 12:05, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Well, I did inform User:Jienum about this pair of AfDs, so let's hope they respond. - theFace 17:42, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See Talk:The Mask (film)#Alternative ending. - theFace 18:03, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not enough reliable coverage to WP:verify notability. Some sources verify that this character exists. But you need to do more than name a phenomenon to justify a Wikipedia article. Mainly WP:PLOT, which is WP:NOT what Wikipedia articles are supposed to be. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:44, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.