Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dominic Jephcott

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 12:01, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dominic Jephcott[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:BIO. Google search shows no reliable sources - those do refer to the different Jephcott, a businessman - this him is an actor. Many of the TV shows this article links to has made no mention of him there, and even if he was, it's unlikely he had played any significant roles.

Even before the user, who claims to be Jephcott himself, "updates" this article, I don't see any citations supporting anything stated on this page. See also Wikipedia:Citing IMDb. theinstantmatrix (talk) 19:22, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:28, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:28, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:28, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:28, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:30, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He meets WP:NACTOR. He has had significant roles in numerous TV series. Yes the article could be improved but deletion does not allow for that. MarnetteD|Talk 19:36, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Subject fails WP:NACTOR. The only show he "starred" in was The Beiderbecke Affair and it is questionable if that show passes WP:NTV in order to qualify Jephcott's role on it. In searching for reliable sources, I found BFI but that's WP:ROUTINE, as is his graduation from RADA. This book lists him as an actor in stuff, as this does, and this talks about his aforementioned cop show. Again, he's just a guy that acted in stuff. I don't see WP:GNG here. The fact that the subject now wants to use this as a promotional vehicle motivated me to figure this out. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:41, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You do know that criteria means there are 100000's of character actor articles that need AFD's CT. There is nothing in WP:NACTOR that says an actor has to have "starred" in a show. I have a couple dozen DVDs that include his performances and many of them are significant - though that word can be in the eye of the beholder. If this is the way it finishes then so be it. Apologies if this comes off as insulting because I don't mean it that way. Best regards to you and all that you do here at the 'pedia. MarnetteD|Talk 19:53, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@MarnetteD: I bear no ill will towards you or the subject. There are lots of working actors, just as there are lots of judges, military officers, musicians, etc. They're not all notable. However, NACTOR requires "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions" and this subject does not pass that. You said "that criteria means there are 100000's of character actor articles that need AFD's" and yes, I'll !vote delete on all of them. The reason I'm a deletionist is that I find it's the result of strict adherence to our norms (policy, guidelines, or essays). For me to do otherwise would be arrogantly substituting my own judgement for the consensus of the community, even when I don't agree with the current rules. (I supported an SNG making ambassadors notable.) The subject fails GNG, ANYBIO, and NACTOR. For me to say otherwise implicitly disrespects the will of my fellow editors. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:07, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Agree he meets WP:NACTOR. Tacyarg (talk) 20:04, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Yet another British actor whose stage career is not represented in the article. The subject's own edits to the article provide information which can be searched for in reliable sources, and compiled into a suitable format for a WP article. It is clear that he does meet WP:NACTOR, having had multiple significant roles in multiple notable performances. Of those that are currently shown in the article, he had significant roles in The Scarlet Pimpernel, Good and Bad at Games, Inseminoid and Holby City. He had other significant roles in performances which don't yet have WP articles, including An African Dream. I will check his Royal Shakespeare Company appearances and other stage performances, and add them to the article, and also add sources. AfD is not about the current state of the article, though it often seems to be interpreted that way by some editors. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:51, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I'm going to relist this for another week - We're on the fence about NACTOR and the article has been significantly updated since the nomination. Some feedback about the updates and whether there's now a consensus that Dominic meets the NACTOR requirements or even WP:GNG now would be awesome.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dusti ^{*Let's talk!*} 02:36, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have added a few stage and screen performances, and some references that verify his appearances. I am hampered by not having access to publications from the 1980s, 1990s and 2000s - if they are online at all, many are in snippet view only. However, I believe that this actor, who has had a forty year career to date, does meet WP:NACTOR, with significant roles in Good and Bad at Games, Holby City, The Beiderbecke Affair and The Beiderbecke Connection, and Inseminoid, and other TV series and stage performances. The article could be improved, but I don't believe it should be deleted. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:12, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per MarnetteD and RebeccaGreen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mosaicberry (talk • contribs) 14:56, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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